Southwold Railway Coach

musket the dog

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Amazing Rik :clap: Really looks the business in Peckforton livery
 

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Railways @ 1.435 mm/ 1.000 mm/ 750 mm and 45mm
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That reminds me of the German "Umbauwagen" (reconstruction coaches)

In scale 1:1 its easy - thew leaf spring in the middle is a bit longer & softer.
In scale 1:22,5 try to re-apply the PIKO-approach

(RAS593) Piko 37609 Spur G Umbauwagen B3yg Deutsche Weinstraße der DB, - Modellbahn Rhein-Main (modellbahn-rhein-main.de)

- w/o a fixed linkage - allowing the cetre axle to "swim" vertically, and with just a limited impact of the outer axles horizontally

Details at 2:50

PIKO Spur G # Umbauwagen B3yg der DB 2. Klasse Piko Gartenbahn, Epoche IV ein tolles Modell - YouTube

And it seems to work (see 1:20)

BR64 Bubikopf mit Umbauwagen - YouTube
 

Northsider

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The residents of Peckforton, Beeston Market and Bickerton will appreciate the comfort that only a six-wheeler can give. I feel a fare increase coming on.
 

ge_rik

British narrow gauge (esp. Southwold and W&LLR)
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I managed to get out into the garden on Saturday and ran the coach over the entire line. There are still two places where the middle truck sometimes becomes derailed, but I can see why. I'm working on a fix - fingers crossed. In the meantime ......

Rik
 

dunnyrail

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Very nice Rik, be lovely to see one in the early light (yellow?) livery. Now you have pretty much nailed making them another (after you have got the amount you need) for vanity reasons should be a breeze, but I guess that storage as ever may be a issue.
 

ge_rik

British narrow gauge (esp. Southwold and W&LLR)
24 Oct 2009
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Cheshire
www.riksrailway.blogspot.com
That reminds me of the German "Umbauwagen" (reconstruction coaches)

In scale 1:1 its easy - thew leaf spring in the middle is a bit longer & softer.
In scale 1:22,5 try to re-apply the PIKO-approach

(RAS593) Piko 37609 Spur G Umbauwagen B3yg Deutsche Weinstraße der DB, - Modellbahn Rhein-Main (modellbahn-rhein-main.de)

- w/o a fixed linkage - allowing the cetre axle to "swim" vertically, and with just a limited impact of the outer axles horizontally

Details at 2:50

PIKO Spur G # Umbauwagen B3yg der DB 2. Klasse Piko Gartenbahn, Epoche IV ein tolles Modell - YouTube

And it seems to work (see 1:20)

BR64 Bubikopf mit Umbauwagen - YouTube
Thanks Andreas. Very interesting. I think these are shorter overall than the Southwold coach and the outside wheels are closer to the middle, which makes the mechanism a bit easier to construct. It looks like they can negotiate even R1 curves, which my coach can't. I was trying to see how the middle wheel truck is attached which is what I'm wrestling with at the moment, but it looks as if the system is buried under the truck somewhere.

Rik
 

ge_rik

British narrow gauge (esp. Southwold and W&LLR)
24 Oct 2009
10,005
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Cheshire
www.riksrailway.blogspot.com
Very nice Rik, be lovely to see one in the early light (yellow?) livery. Now you have pretty much nailed making them another (after you have got the amount you need) for vanity reasons should be a breeze, but I guess that storage as ever may be a issue.
Thanks Jon. Still a bit more twiddling to get it working reliably. The easiest way would be to iron out the two bits of track which cause it trouble, but I'm trying to see if I can modify the suspension system for the middle truck first. Once I've got that sorted and redesigned it, then I'll try making another coach.

As you say, storage will soon become compromised...... :wasntme:

Rik
 

musket the dog

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The finished product looks great Rik, I hope you're really pleased with it despite the teething troubles. I bet there aren't too many people out there who could boast a mixed train of Southwold stock in G. With their choice of locomotive too :eek:
 

Rhinochugger

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I managed to get out into the garden on Saturday and ran the coach over the entire line. There are still two places where the middle truck sometimes becomes derailed, but I can see why. I'm working on a fix - fingers crossed. In the meantime ......

Rik
The carriage itself might benefit from a bit more weight, but you've now set yourself a task - it needs to go behind a Southwold Sharpe Stewart in either guise 2-4-0 or 2-4-2; they were attractive locos, and suitably petite for a narrow gauge line :nod::nod:
 

dunnyrail

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The carriage itself might benefit from a bit more weight, but you've now set yourself a task - it needs to go behind a Southwold Sharpe Stewart in either guise 2-4-0 or 2-4-2; they were attractive locos, and suitably petite for a narrow gauge line :nod::nod:
Not to forget the Manning Wardle 0-6-2.
 

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The carriage itself might benefit from a bit more weight, but you've now set yourself a task - it needs to go behind a Southwold Sharpe Stewart in either guise 2-4-0 or 2-4-2; they were attractive locos, and suitably petite for a narrow gauge line :nod::nod:
I have an MNR Sharpie on the to do list for r*tirement; the difficulty is the radial-boxed front axle, which can only swing between the slidebars (without fouling): not a problem in 1:1 scale, but a significant one where there are smaller radius curves to negotiate. A bit of sideways slop on the rear driving axle might help...but it might not.

I think Rik already has a Sharpie -I'm sure I've read a build log.
 

Rhinochugger

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I have an MNR Sharpie on the to do list for r*tirement; the difficulty is the radial-boxed front axle, which can only swing between the slidebars (without fouling): not a problem in 1:1 scale, but a significant one where there are smaller radius curves to negotiate. A bit of sideways slop on the rear driving axle might help...but it might not.

I think Rik already has a Sharpie -I'm sure I've read a build log.
I suppose the alternative is to cheat - have the front pony truck and the centre axle rigid and let the rear axle swing. Probably not so easy with the coupling rods but it's a fairly short wheelbase - there's gotta be a way ;);)
 

dunnyrail

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I have an MNR Sharpie on the to do list for r*tirement; the difficulty is the radial-boxed front axle, which can only swing between the slidebars (without fouling): not a problem in 1:1 scale, but a significant one where there are smaller radius curves to negotiate. A bit of sideways slop on the rear driving axle might help...but it might not.

I think Rik already has a Sharpie -I'm sure I've read a build log.
I think you will find that treating it as a pony truck would be the best bet for sharpe curves, it would only show up horrible in the curves as does any pony truck. But most of the time should look like it is meant to.
 

Rhinochugger

Retired Oik
27 Oct 2009
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3,601
North West Norfolk
I have an MNR Sharpie on the to do list for r*tirement; the difficulty is the radial-boxed front axle, which can only swing between the slidebars (without fouling): not a problem in 1:1 scale, but a significant one where there are smaller radius curves to negotiate. A bit of sideways slop on the rear driving axle might help...but it might not.

I think Rik already has a Sharpie -I'm sure I've read a build log.
Gotcha, found it - he obviously had the 'wrong' loco rostered today :nerd::nerd::nerd:
 

ge_rik

British narrow gauge (esp. Southwold and W&LLR)
24 Oct 2009
10,005
1,103
Cheshire
www.riksrailway.blogspot.com
Yes indeed, I do have a 2-4-2 Sharpie. Mine uses a Playmobil 0-4-0 motor block (because it was the nearest I could find for drivers size and spacing) with a pony truck each side.

Here she is when she entered service seven years ago. She now has a much more controllable Deltang receiver than that I installed at the time.


Rik

PS I was going to use her to test run the coach, but decided a combination of Cleminson undercarriage and pony trucks on hastily cleared leaf strewn track would be asking too much. It then got dark before I could give the Sharpie a run with the coach.