LGB 69572 Powered Coal Tender

JimmyB

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Just bought the LGB 69572 Powered Coal Tender with light and sound, an evilbay impulse buy whilst waiting for my 2 minute countdown on some R3 points. A quick read of the online manual says this is good to ad to tank locos, though most pictures I have seen seem to show it with Stainz type. My question is will it be any good with my Otto type, and are there any specific considerations I need to be aware of.
 
Bill Barnwell

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If the drive wheels are the same size you shouldn't have any problems or just see if one runs away from another when not coupled together, I know when electrically hooked to the engine it will pretty much run on any track, clean or dirty, Bill
 
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[QUOTE I have seen seem to show it with Stainz type. My question is will it be any good with my Otto type, and are there any specific considerations I need to be aware of.[/QUOTE]
Stainz wheels are of a larger diameter than an Otto, plus they use a different motor. Not sure of the exact difference in voltage to speed at the wheels but my Otto is faster than my stainz's (light engine.) on a shared track. As Bill says. try it and see. I understand that there was a tender made specifically for the toy train locos. ( LGB 96272) but it was unpowered.
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PhilP

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Differing diameter wheels, and differing motors, so I would say 'no'..

However, just for the heck of it, I would put them two-feet apart on the track and run them backwards and forwards..
You never know.. LGB did think-through a lot of the potential problems.

Would be interested to here the result.
PhilP.
 
Greg Elmassian

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Remember they do not have to be perfectly matched, close will work. When under load pulling cars the "faster" one will take more of the load and slow down more, and work harder.

Unloaded will be the worst case.

Greg
 
JimmyB

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Arrived last, down loaded the manual, and it has a set of switches to change delay and acceleration. On my indoor test track, initially it was to slow, changed the switches and seems okay. Just put it on the out door track about a foot behind Otto, and it stayed roughly the same distance all the way around the curcuit. Hitched up some coaches (which Otto struggles with on the gradient) and it seems to work fine, even on slightly damp track.
 
PhilP

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:clap::clap:
Excellent result!
:clap::clap:

:think: Did you try it at varying speeds, at all? :think:
PhilP.
 
JimmyB

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PhilP, yes from quite slow to in excess of scale speed, though my indoor transformer couldn't handle the fast speed that needed to wait for the TE connection outside.
 
PhilP

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Thank you for the additional information. Very useful to know.
PhilP.
 
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Hello from Sweden! I'm following the Ebay auction on two relatively worn tenders with sound and motor. How much did you pay for yours?
Best regards from Claes
 
Zerogee

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Hello from Sweden! I'm following the Ebay auction on two relatively worn tenders with sound and motor. How much did you pay for yours?
Best regards from Claes
I can't answer for the one Jimmy bought, of course, but if they are well-used but fully working then I would reckon that around £100 would be the kind of top price I'd expect to pay for one. One with very little use might go for £120-£150.

By the way, welcome to GSC!

Jon.
 
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I can't answer for the one Jimmy bought, of course, but if they are well-used but fully working then I would reckon that around £100 would be the kind of top price I'd expect to pay for one. One with very little use might go for £120-£150.

By the way, welcome to GSC!

Jon.
Thank you Jon :)
 
JimmyB

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I paid less £100.00 boxed fully working, good condition, a little visible wear on the skates, only items missing are the magnets!
 
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I paid less £100.00 boxed fully working, good condition, a little visible wear on the skates, only items missing are the magnets!
I think you got a good buy there, Jimmy! :)

I did pick one up myself a couple of years back, from a non-specialist seller who (I think!) didn't realise that it had sound, and had thus priced it like a basic motorised tender - sometimes you can just get lucky on something like that, like the time I randomly found an LGB 2-6-2 "Ballerina" in the "wrong" gauge section of evilBay, so very few people spotted it as it didn't come up in "G" searches - that also wasn't advertised (or priced) as having sound, but on arrival it proved to have an LGB "black box" unit installed.....

Jon.
 
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I think you got a good buy there, Jimmy! :)

I did pick one up myself a couple of years back, from a non-specialist seller who (I think!) didn't realise that it had sound, and had thus priced it like a basic motorised tender - sometimes you can just get lucky on something like that, like the time I randomly found an LGB 2-6-2 "Ballerina" in the "wrong" gauge section of evilBay, so very few people spotted it as it didn't come up in "G" searches - that also wasn't advertised (or priced) as having sound, but on arrival it proved to have an LGB "black box" unit installed.....

Jon.
Thanks Jimmy. I was asking because I have one of these Newqida 2-6-2 RC locos, that did'nt work. My plans are either to rebuild it for DC (with ca 90£ investments for LGB metal wheels and coals) or take the motor out and buy this tender and also get sound. But it may look tiny at the back of the massive and high Harz loco. :-(

Claes
 
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Thanks Jimmy. I was asking because I have one of these Newqida 2-6-2 RC locos, that did'nt work. My plans are either to rebuild it for DC (with ca 90£ investments for LGB metal wheels and coals) or take the motor out and buy this tender and also get sound. But it may look tiny at the back of the massive and high Harz loco. :-(

Claes
Of those two options, I think rebuilding the 2-6-2 would be a better solution than using the powered tender - the tender would look very small and odd behind the large 6001 tank loco, plus I don't think the tender would have enough weight and traction to push along the loco and pull any kind of train behind it.... those LGB tenders are really designed for small Stainz-sized locos, and even then they are intended to just be additional motor units to give a little bit more power, not to replace the drive power of the loco itself.

If your Newqida 2-6-2 was described as working, but then didn't, can you return it and get a refund from the seller? You would probably be better trying to recover your money and spend it on a good fully working second-hand LGB loco.....

Jon.
 
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Of those two options, I think rebuilding the 2-6-2 would be a better solution than using the powered tender - the tender would look very small and odd behind the large 6001 tank loco, plus I don't think the tender would have enough weight and traction to push along the loco and pull any kind of train behind it.... those LGB tenders are really designed for small Stainz-sized locos, and even then they are intended to just be additional motor units to give a little bit more power, not to replace the drive power of the loco itself.

If your Newqida 2-6-2 was described as working, but then didn't, can you return it and get a refund from the seller? You would probably be better trying to recover your money and spend it on a good fully working second-hand LGB loco.....

Jon.
Thank you for your advices Jon. I also realized that this tender is to small. And maybe I can send the loco back to the seller.

Claes