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Trevor, if you've made the decision to buy an MTSIII setup, are you planning to order it from Modell-Land? If so, they are now offering their "own" branded decoders (though I suspect they are possibly being made by Massoth for them?), such as this one here which is a direct replacement for an LGB 55021:


It might be worth you ordering the decoders you need at the same time as you order your control setup, and get them all for one lot of flat-rate shipping.....?

DISCLAIMER: I know nothing about ML's relatively new "own brand" decoders beyond what I've seen on their website, I've only recently noticed them there - does anyone here have any further info on them, and/or has anyone actually bought any yet?

If you want to buy Massoth decoders here in the UK, and get plenty of support and advice on them too, then the obvious place to go is to Muns (Mark), at Garden Rail Outlet.....

Jon.
 
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does anyone here have any further info on them, and/or has anyone actually bought any yet ?
Yes, and Yes... one of my backlog of jobs is re writing the Massoth Service Tool Templates into English!

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Yes, and Yes... one of my backlog of jobs is re writing the Massoth Service Tool Templates into English!

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So, what's you opinion of them, John? Are they indeed Massoth-made decoders simply "re-badged" by ML, as I assumed, or are they Massoth designs made by someone else under licence for ML? Either way, are they up to the expected Massoth quality?
They certainly seem to be at very good prices....

Jon.
 
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They are designed and made by Marius Dege .

Shop details here MD-ELECTRONICS

Also he has a presence on eBay....

As for opinion, well the ones I worked on, tested etc, all seem to be as good as other offerings in the market place, usual cravat, of the latest offerings many are relatively new, work on the basis, that if I can't thrash them, then they must be OK! :)

For those not in the know, I seem to have acquired a fearsome reputation for thrashing decoders, E ExeterGeek and Gardenbahner Gardenbahner , have witnessed some truly spectacular happenings with decoders and DCC equipment in general! :wasntme:
 
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Many thanks, John, that's VERY interesting.... has there been any discussion of them here on GSC before, have I just missed seeing it? At the prices, and with the features offered, they would seem to be a VERY cost-effective option....

Jon.
 
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Many thanks, John, that's VERY interesting.... has there been any discussion of them here on GSC before, have I just missed seeing it? At the prices, and with the features offered, they would seem to be a VERY cost-effective option....

Jon.
Refer to Gizzy Gizzy , post on turntables...... Turntable - G Scale Central , that is a MD product.
 
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Hi again. I'm just sitting back at the moment to see how this develops, while people who really know what they are talking about fort this out. If Modell-Land is the place to go to that's fine. I'll see how this decoder thread resolves itself as it would be good to purchase everything in one go. I will probably do as suggested previously, i.e., keep the analogue working for point control at the moment. I have a couple of Linesman's huts I can offer for sale as well as point and section boxes to help offset the costs.
Continuing thanks.
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Hi, just spotted this:


yes, I know, it's NOT MTS3, but MTS2. If it's cheap enough, it may be a way into digital control to test the water before deciding if digital is for you. The point modules will work with any future system, and the transformer could be reused. If at first you're not too bothered about sound, then the obsolete ( serial ) way of sending F commands won't bother you.

But only worth having if it's not expensive. And it all works....!!

Let's see what others think....

Malcolm
 
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Thanks Malcolm. I'll watch that. T
 
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Hi again. I'm trying to keep up with this. So a summary of Option 1.
Buy:
MTS III & handheld £360
4 x Massoth 'L' decoders (for 2 Stainz, a Schoema and a yellow Kof £140
2 x Massoth 'M' decoders for Spreewald and Harz 2-6-2. £100

Plus work needed to fit and some fettling to adapt Stainz.
Is this it or are other bits needed bearing in mind that points are remaining analogue at the moment and sound isn't on the menu?
Trevor
 
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Hi again. I'm trying to keep up with this. So a summary of Option 1.
Buy:
MTS III & handheld £360
4 x Massoth 'L' decoders (for 2 Stainz, a Schoema and a yellow Kof £140
2 x Massoth 'M' decoders for Spreewald and Harz 2-6-2. £100

Plus work needed to fit and some fettling to adapt Stainz.
Is this it or are other bits needed bearing in mind that points are remaining analogue at the moment and sound isn't on the menu?
Trevor
Trevor, I think we established earlier that your Spreewald and yellow KoF are almost certainly already decoder-equipped - so decoders for them can come off your list!

The Harz 2-6-2 would need a L decoder (or an XL), not an M - the M is a little tiny decoder designed for use in the Feldbahn locos; it IS just about capable of running something like a Stainz, but I wouldn't put one in your 2-6-2.

Jon.
 
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Thanks Jon and apologies. I think today has given me brain-overload. So, I have saved some money. I'll mull things over for a couple of days. Would the same decoder for the Harz apply to the Spreewald which has the silver 'D' sticker?
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Firstly I see no issue with completing your setup so that you can Runs Trains in Analogue mode. Next nothing you have done will effect your Digital Setup when you install it. Just 2 wires where the current power from the Analogue Controller comes into the Track will work as well with your Digital Setup.

As for converting Locomotives, they are all different. Some may need a complete rewire, some will take a Decoder Pugged in Directly inside on a Circuit Board. If you have any of this type remember that all the Dip Switches must be turned to Off! You may even have a DCC / MTS fitted Loco, these run just fine with LGB Analogue Controllers.

Perhaps some members of the Forum have some good conditioned LGB 55021 Chips available for you? Though I expect some will suggest other more expensive routes.
 
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Thanks Jon. I am indeed getting a lot of advice and thank you for your contribution. I will finish off what I am doing and run trains because that is what it is all about. I will also refer to the many threads on this site associated with loco conversion and proceed to change over to DCC.
Trevor
 
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Thanks Jon and apologies. I think today has given me brain-overload. So, I have saved some money. I'll mull things over for a couple of days. Would the same decoder for the Harz apply to the Spreewald which has the silver 'D' sticker?
Trevor
If the Spreewald has the silver "D" sticker, then it already has a decoder installed.
If you can look underneath your Harz 2-6-2 and tell us exactly which stickers that one has, we can give more relevant advice....

Jon.
 
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Thanks Jon. The Harz is 2004 and also has the silver 'D'. It looks as if I am saving money.
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I am late to the party!
i was going to ask your budget, but answers above, and now finding you are 'saving' ;) money, all helps.

Getting the control equipment will get you going. - You would appear to have two decoder-equipped loco's already.

Although your forum-name is 'Anglian', I see you give your location as Armagh? - Could anyone comment on suppliers / G-railers in the area?
Having a little local knowledge you can call-on is worth a lot of forum-posts.

If you wanted to run in 'both camps':
You could have a control panel and switches allowing analogue sections to be switched to a number of 'cabs' or a final 'all-linked' position for DCC running?

Sounds like you have 'the bug'? Resistance is futile! Go with it, and play trains. :):nod::nod:
 
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Thanks Jon. The Harz is 2004 and also has the silver 'D'. It looks as if I am saving money.
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Yes, your 2-6-2 is definitely factory-chipped like your Spreewald - great news for you, and more money saved! Your yellow KoF will be too, since that particular model with the flashing roof lamps was (AFAIK) only available in the MTS digital starter sets....
So, the only decoders you will need are a direct plug-in one for your orange Schoema, and whatever you need to put in the two Stainzes - I don't believe we know the particular vintage of your Stainzes yet, could you have a look at them and let us know if there are any stickers under them - particularly the little gold ones and any black or silver ones with a ring of dots on them....?

Jon.
 
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Hi Jon. One is devoid of stickers but the other one appears to be 1988. There really is so much to enjoy about all this detective work. When the models themselves have a history, I think that it really adds to the railway under construction.
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