Trams: Is There Much Tramway Interest On Here??

tramwayknowledge said:
The average speed of DLR trains is 80 km/h, with a maximum speed of 100 km/h. 80kmh is the usual maximum speed of light railways in Europe, although London Tramlink has had its maximum speed reduced to 70kmh in the panic following the Sandilands derailment
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Ah, thanks, I was working from a fuzzy, fading memory :think::think:
 
I mentioned the Cardiff Bay Tramway the other day, a public consultation excersize has just been issued that may be of interest. I am guilty of serious speed reading and am a little confused, originally I though the link would be using the existing Queen Street to Cardiff Bay line. It is but some distance along the route with a new Tramway Station at Cardiff General ‘with easy connection!’ Then onto the existing Cardiff Bay Station. I thought that the Tram Trains from the Valleys would be using the Bay Line from Central, perhaps they will be. Whatever is occurring, Wales is now leading the Country with Tram initiatives.
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Cardiff Crossrail

UPDATE 22 August 2025 Cardiff Council have applied to the Welsh Ministers under section 6 of the Transport and Works Act 1992, for an Order to request authorisation of the Cardiff Crossrail phase 1a project. We welcome you to view a copy of the application, and
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I wonder what ever happened to the promise for a Tram system in Leeds after the cancellation of HS2 to that Town
 
dunnyrail said:
Whatever is occurring, Wales is now leading the Country with Tram initiatives.
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As with many of these things, geography plays an important part :nod::nod: Where the railways no longer run into what used to be the mining valleys, there is a need for transport at the 'bottom' end, the southern area around Cardiff and the inevitable spread from Cardiff.

I wonder if the trams will all be limited to 20 mph :giggle::giggle:
 
dunnyrail said:
I mentioned the Cardiff Bay Tramway the other day, a public consultation excersize has just been issued that may be of interest. I am guilty of serious speed reading and am a little confused, originally I though the link would be using the existing Queen Street to Cardiff Bay line. It is but some distance along the route with a new Tramway Station at Cardiff General ‘with easy connection!’ Then onto the existing Cardiff Bay Station. I thought that the Tram Trains from the Valleys would be using the Bay Line from Central, perhaps they will be. Whatever is occurring, Wales is now leading the Country with Tram initiatives.
haveyoursay.tfw.wales

Cardiff Crossrail

UPDATE 22 August 2025 Cardiff Council have applied to the Welsh Ministers under section 6 of the Transport and Works Act 1992, for an Order to request authorisation of the Cardiff Crossrail phase 1a project. We welcome you to view a copy of the application, and
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I wonder what ever happened to the promise for a Tram system in Leeds after the cancellation of HS2 to that Town
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A new proposal has been recently put forward....
 
Rhinochugger said:
As with many of these things, geography plays an important part :nod::nod: Where the railways no longer run into what used to be the mining valleys, there is a need for transport at the 'bottom' end, the southern area around Cardiff and the inevitable spread from Cardiff.

I wonder if the trams will all be limited to 20 mph :giggle::giggle:
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Off rail they are likely to be ‘limited’ but most of the new bit thus far looks to be dedicated Tramway by the road. In the Valleys on conventional routes 100kph stated as max speed.
 
dunnyrail said:
Off rail they are likely to be ‘limited’ but most of the new bit thus far looks to be dedicated Tramway by the road. In the Valleys on conventional routes 100kph stated as max speed.
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Sorry mate, I was joshing - about the road speed limit in Wales. Invented by nutters :lipssealed::lipssealed:
 
Rhinochugger said:
Sorry mate, I was joshing - about the road speed limit in Wales. Invented by nutters :lipssealed::lipssealed:
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No a good idea IMHO. We are pretty well in the throes of a 20mph limit introduction in the Nitz, dumbed down slightly by some of my oppo Councillors last year to leave confusing 30mph zones as if life and safety do not matter in those roads. It is all about saving lives, if it stops 40-50 sppeeding in Town it will be a big contribution to road safety. When I proposed it back in 2016 I calculated that the longest journey within the 20mph zone was around 20-30 seconds longer than if driving at 30mph. In truth at busy times one is lucky to do 20mph. If the 20mph speed saves just 1 life it would be well worth the implementation.
 
dunnyrail said:
No a good idea IMHO. We are pretty well in the throes of a 20mph limit introduction in the Nitz, dumbed down slightly by some of my oppo Councillors last year to leave confusing 30mph zones as if life and safety do not matter in those roads. It is all about saving lives, if it stops 40-50 sppeeding in Town it will be a big contribution to road safety. When I proposed it back in 2016 I calculated that the longest journey within the 20mph zone was around 20-30 seconds longer than if driving at 30mph. In truth at busy times one is lucky to do 20mph. If the 20mph speed saves just 1 life it would be well worth the implementation.
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Personally, I don't get it. Car tyres, brakes and handling have all improved dramatically in the last 30 years.

We should be solving accident problems by teaching people to drive in today's environment, instead of just teaching them the controls of a car.
 
Rhinochugger said:
Personally, I don't get it. Car tyres, brakes and handling have all improved dramatically in the last 30 years.

We should be solving accident problems by teaching people to drive in today's environment, instead of just teaching them the controls of a car.
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That has been tried over decades and proven not to work. Car improvements in many respects do not help as it gives over confidence. Witness me telling off a councillor of my aquaintance a few years back for driving whilst eating an ice creme. Responce, ‘this car drives itself’ that sort of thinking is an accident waiting to happen, look at any TV dash cam program will show the potential and actual carnage on the roads.
 
dunnyrail said:
That has been tried over decades and proven not to work. Car improvements in many respects do not help as it gives over confidence. Witness me telling off a councillor of my aquaintance a few years back for driving whilst eating an ice creme. Responce, ‘this car drives itself’ that sort of thinking is an accident waiting to happen, look at any TV dash cam program will show the potential and actual carnage on the roads.
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Quite correct, I was talking about the basics of a car's behaviour, not the electronic aids. and I argue that the emphasis on limiting speed is misguided on two counts:

  1. Speed is cited as a contributory factor in accidents - so we're dealing with the symptoms, not the cause.
  2. Excessive numbers of speed limits take the responsibility away from the driver. Our current society has a major leaning in that direction as well; so an accident is always because the road is dangerous, or as in one case a widower claimed that in an accident that sadly took his wife's life the vehicle was dangerous because it was a tall 4x4 (and the coroner agreed with him even though it was an unmodified vehicle :eek:). We need to teach ownership of our actions - especially on the road.
 
The 20 mph speed limits have increased the journey time on buses which in turn means more buses and drivers are required to provide the same level service, which means costs rise, so fares have to rise while the longer journey times make them less attractive to use.
 
ColinK said:
The 20 mph speed limits have increased the journey time on buses which in turn means more buses and drivers are required to provide the same level service, which means costs rise, so fares have to rise while the longer journey times make them less attractive to use.
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We've probably hi-jacked a thread in an inappropriate manner - my fault, I started it with a quip which didn't end up as funny as I thought.

Better get back to trams

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Gizzy said:
Wimbledon????
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Well, the picture is Croydon, but it's the tram that runs from Wimbledon, part way on the old railway line - am I right that it's the only modern tram line south of the Thames ? :wait:
 
Further to my waffle about Cardiff and the tram trains. It appears that the Queen Street to Bay line will have the new bit mentioned joining it with Tram trains running to/from Cardiff Bay to Cardiff Central station (the new bit) and the Valleys thus there will be a tram junction making the system a classic Y from when running commences.

In other news the Leeds system has got to the stage of an agreed route, but will it get the nod to be built or will Leeds/Bradford have to fund themselves?
www.bbc.co.uk

Bradford Council selects preferred route for tram to Leeds

Council wants line to regenerate area with potential for 'significant' housing growth.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
David1226 said:
A view of a tram and trailers threading their way between the various restaurant tables in the central square, Soller, Mallorca, 16.9.2024. Copied across from Pic of the Day, in the Coffee Lounge, 12.10.24.

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That's a hell of alot better than automobile and truck traffic.
 
Hello everyone.
I just watched this entire thread.
All your images are superb and we travel all over the world.
Apart from two videos on Brussels trams, there are not many images of the local railway in Belgium (my country): the SNCV in French or the NMBS in Dutch.
If you go to Belgium, I strongly advise you to visit the tram museum in Thuin.

Here is the link to their website: ASVi

Good afternoon.
 
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