No sleeper coach?
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UK/US/ROW steam narrow gauge railways 1:1
Given most European NG lines tend not to be trans national, never mind continental, then the lack of "sleepers" does not surprise me. Particularly as LGB's, and others, home market tends to be "mittel" European. But I expect to be proved wrong. I could see the demand for some to be used in engineering works trains. Yes other nations like South Africa and in the far east have extensive NG trans national networks that would have a need, and that would work out near 1000 mm gauging. But their modelling is again very much dependent on home market demad. Of course the scale 1.22.5 is shared by Gauge 3 The Gauge '3' Society, British Standard Gauge, Large Scale Garden Railways which models std gauge running on 64 mm gauged track. Garden Railway Specialists have been past champions of this modeling sector but seem to be tailing off their product range. Max
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Sleeper coaches are best for long distance journeys, they also tend to run at night when most gscale owners don’t operate.
Not sure if there’s many long distance journeys that warrant it in European narrow gauge.
However piko do a range of European items, so could quite easily release a fictional livery if there was demand.
Tooling up a sleeper coach mould probably would sell many and would be a loss maker
Dan
Not sure if there’s many long distance journeys that warrant it in European narrow gauge.
However piko do a range of European items, so could quite easily release a fictional livery if there was demand.
Tooling up a sleeper coach mould probably would sell many and would be a loss maker
Dan
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In reality, sleeper coaches on metre gauge systems are quite uncommon, for reasons already noted above.
There were possible proposals for sleeper coaches on the 3ft gauge Irish NG. There was an ambitious proposal to build a cross Ireland railway, in part using existing NG lines. Sadly it never got built, wish I could remember the book I read it in - possibly the Boyde book.
With the slow speeds usually found on Irish NG lines, sleeping accomodation would have been a must but I doubt travellers would have got much rest with intermediate shunting to add and detach vehicles en route. A wonderful ‘may have been’ that would no doubt have lost lots of money or cost the ratepayers heavily if built under the system ‘barony?’ That was popular in the Irish ‘mania’ days.
If anyone has the patience (I do not) this Hansard link goes on about the ‘barony’ thing in Ireland.
With the slow speeds usually found on Irish NG lines, sleeping accomodation would have been a must but I doubt travellers would have got much rest with intermediate shunting to add and detach vehicles en route. A wonderful ‘may have been’ that would no doubt have lost lots of money or cost the ratepayers heavily if built under the system ‘barony?’ That was popular in the Irish ‘mania’ days.
If anyone has the patience (I do not) this Hansard link goes on about the ‘barony’ thing in Ireland.
RAILWAYS (IRELAND)—LOCAL GUARANTEES .—RESOLUTION. (Hansard, 15 May 1874)
RAILWAYS (IRELAND)—LOCAL GUARANTEES .—RESOLUTION. (Hansard, 15 May 1874)
api.parliament.uk
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Sleeper coaches on meter gauge are common in South East Asia.
Before India converted its entire network to broad gauge, there were meter gauge sleeper coaches in mainlines.
Japan + parts of Africa use cape gauge, which is only slightly wider (1067 mm) and there are plenty of sleeper coaches in this gauge.
Agree that it is rare in Europe due to smaller sizes of countries.
I measured with Playmobil figure lying on floor, in a Playmobil panorama coach, there is enough space to create sleepers.
To create a realistic sleeper coach, one needs a long 2x2 axles coaches like Panorama coach.
Layout can be of 2 types
[1] traditional sleeper with corridor on one side
[2] business jet type seating converted to beds - similar to Panorama coach layout. The table goes down and seats fold to make bed
Before India converted its entire network to broad gauge, there were meter gauge sleeper coaches in mainlines.
Japan + parts of Africa use cape gauge, which is only slightly wider (1067 mm) and there are plenty of sleeper coaches in this gauge.
Agree that it is rare in Europe due to smaller sizes of countries.
I measured with Playmobil figure lying on floor, in a Playmobil panorama coach, there is enough space to create sleepers.
To create a realistic sleeper coach, one needs a long 2x2 axles coaches like Panorama coach.
Layout can be of 2 types
[1] traditional sleeper with corridor on one side
[2] business jet type seating converted to beds - similar to Panorama coach layout. The table goes down and seats fold to make bed
In this hot weather we can close the curtains and pretend it is night time and run sleeper coaches indoor
ge_rik
British narrow gauge (esp. Southwold and W&LLR)
Interestingly, Sir Arthur Heywood built a four berth sleeping car to run on his 15" gauge Duffield Bank Railway. That only ran around his garden.
I can't find a picture of the real thing. I think there's a full scale replica on the Perry grove Railway, but you can get a model of it from MG Models in Gn15 (and his 8 seater Dining Car)
Rik
I can't find a picture of the real thing. I think there's a full scale replica on the Perry grove Railway, but you can get a model of it from MG Models in Gn15 (and his 8 seater Dining Car)
Rik
Oh yes forgot that, travelled Delhi to Jodhpur then a week or so later Jodhpur to Udaipur both in MG sleepers. That was back in 1987.Sleeper coaches on meter gauge are common in South East Asia.
Before India converted its entire network to broad gauge, there were meter gauge sleeper coaches in mainlines.
Japan + parts of Africa use cape gauge, which is only slightly wider (1067 mm) and there are plenty of sleeper coaches in this gauge.
Agree that it is rare in Europe due to smaller sizes of countries.
I measured with Playmobil figure lying on floor, in a Playmobil panorama coach, there is enough space to create sleepers.
To create a realistic sleeper coach, one needs a long 2x2 axles coaches like Panorama coach.
Layout can be of 2 types
[1] traditional sleeper with corridor on one side
[2] business jet type seating converted to beds - similar to Panorama coach layout. The table goes down and seats fold to make bed
In this hot weather we can close the curtains and pretend it is night time and run sleeper coaches indoor
I like the sound of Sir Arthur, British eccentricity at it's very best!Interestingly, Sir Arthur Heywood built a four berth sleeping car to run on his 15" gauge Duffield Bank Railway. That only ran around his garden.
I can't find a picture of the real thing. I think there's a full scale replica on the Perry grove Railway, but you can get a model of it from MG Models in Gn15 (and his 8 seater Dining Car)
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Rik
ebay mike
Retired, but still hoarding. (GOF)
One of my "to do" projects which never saw the light of day (but the components of which still sit in a box in the garage) was to do a cut and shut conversion of three Bachmann JS clerestories to make two representations of original Orient Express sleepers. Chopping the ends off two of the coaches and stitching on half a full coach to each would give a suitably long body as a basis.
Rhinochugger
Retired Oik
Worth reading up about his 'minimum gauge' railway - of course, this level of eccentricity requires a substantial amount of wealth behind it, much like the founding of the RHDR.
Yes the rich are eccentric, the oiks are idiots
Rhinochugger
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Mind you without the rich, their eccentricities and their enquiring minds, we would be a lot poorer.
Look at William Armstrong's house, Craigside, with its hydro-electricity for starters.
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This is a crude model in Blender for sleeper coaches. The dimension of coach is similar to that of Playmobil Panorama coach.
After drawing this I realized forgot to add toilet.
Having said that, never seen toilet in G scale trains. I have a Playmobil campervan which does have a toilet though.
After drawing this I realized forgot to add toilet.
Having said that, never seen toilet in G scale trains. I have a Playmobil campervan which does have a toilet though.
David1226
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The Claptowte Railway has several coaches fitted with toilets, you could say they are flush with them.
David
ebay mike
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I have at least a dozen LGB coaches which have toilet compartments.
Amazing what a small piece of land with a hotel on it, in Melbourne, featuring an “artistic” painting of Chloe can finance when inherited!
Rhinochugger
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I read a book a while back about carriage development on British railway lines.
Toilets took second place, only after station buffets became more prominent - more tea vicar?
Toilets took second place, only after station buffets became more prominent - more tea vicar?
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