New LGB wont move

jesse.murrah.3

jesse.murrah.3

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OK obtained a top of line LGB like new 25192. Thought it came with digital lgb sound. I only have DC as of now. Beautiful sounds emerged. No movement! Somebody stripped out the lgb and replaced with Phenix p8 big sound. Don't understand why that and the flicker box is working but the train won't move. Anyone? It's supposed to have the latest mts in it from what I've read. Shouldn't it go in DC?
 
If it has Phoenix sound rather than a European sound deconder that it has also been fitted with an airwire radio controled decoder rather than a track type as these are popular in the US as they work better over long outside tracks.
 
Long shot - is there a switch in the cab or underneath which cuts the motor but not other functions?
 
If someone has had it open and messed around with it, replacing the LGB sound board with a Phoenix one, they may have done things to some of the DCC decoder settings too - there is a CV which turns off analogue operation - I can't recall which offhand, but I'm sure someone will chip in (pun intended) to tell us.

Jon.
 
There is a switch in the cab. It controls the flickering Firefox, smoke etc. It does not affect the motion. I have read that this model will not go until a certain voltage is reached, but I am quite certain that I have exceeded that limit. That was also the instructions with th MTS. Now that the MTS has been tinkered with I'm not sure if that rule applies. It still has brand new LGB track pickups, with absolutely no.scratching. It has never been ran I'm confident of that.
 
Can you not talk to the person who you got it from? If not, some close-up pictures of the electronics might help.
 
Zerogee said:
If someone has had it open and messed around with it, replacing the LGB sound board with a Phoenix one, they may have done things to some of the DCC decoder settings too - there is a CV which turns off analogue operation - I can't recall which offhand, but I'm sure someone will chip in (pun intended) to tell us.

Jon.
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CV 29 Bit 2 for DC operation value of 4

CV 29 Calculator http://www.2mm.org.uk/articles/cv29%20calculator.htm
 
Arthur Aardvark said:
CV 29 Bit 2 for DC operation value of 4

CV 29 Calculator http://www.2mm.org.uk/articles/cv29%20calculator.htm
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If it has DCC (of some kind) as well, then set CV 29 to 6.
This should give digital AND analogue operation.. If you are getting sound, then power is getting into the loco. - At least as far as the Phoenix card!
 
As far as I know.. I have to use the programmer, and connect to the programming socket on a Phoenix card..
Do not think you can program via the track?? - My turn to be possibly talking out of my rear! :o ;) :D!
 
Bought it as is from an auction so I have no clue who the prior owner was. I'm new to this forum and am having trouble posting pictures as the ones from my phone are to large to post. Have to figure out how to minimize the pics
 
Just a reminder folks, there is/was a probationary period, of a month before a new member could post pics etc.

It's nothing personal Jesse, just past experience has proved this to be a necessary evil, hope you will understand. You could ask one of the Mods, to short circuit this, as I believe it has been done in the past.

But out of daftness, I believe that LGB motors/gearing allow for the wheels of a loco to be turned by hand, just in case it has a seized motor. I know it's a worst case probability, but it would at least show if the motor turns.
 
Yes, I pushed it along the track and the motor turns fine, the sounds even chuffed. I`m starting to think this might have been an incomplete project. My reasoning is that this loco is designed to run with the tender attached only.  Now that the MTS electronics are missing from the tender, the MTS is not working.  Phoenix p8 is designed for DC/DCC but I can`t find a decoder.  The locomotive itself is brand new.  Really confusing
 

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Taking a bit of a risk posting this, and I stand to be corrected.

Looks as if the circuit board the G,W,Y,B cable is attached to is a decoder.
 
Difficult to say, but as Gordon mentioned, the horizontal PCB has the G W Y B cable connected to it and the wiring does look to be LGB.

The Vertical PCB I assume is the Phoenix card Jesse? The connectors are heat shrinked which I have never seen on LGB before.

I would disconnect the GWYB ribbon cable from the chassis block, link the skates to the motor where this cable connects and see if the motor runs on DC.

A cheap second hand LGB 55021 or 55022 decoder might get the loco running if it isn't fitted to the tender....
 
Paul, Gizzy, you are probably right, been looking at the Champex-linden, exploded parts diagram, it may well just be a junction board.

http://www.champex-linden.de/download_lgb_explosionszeichnungen/25192-1.pdf
 
The vertical board is definitely a 55021 decoder that's been mounted with a tie and wired to the pins. it's got the correct pin layout for the usual direct plug-in, and the other components seem to match photos of a 55021. It's got the usual LGB green/brown/white/yellow wires soldered to the far end.
 
Looking at Gordon's link, item 57 is the PCB assembly, and the photo Jesse has posted looks to be a similar configuration.

Jesse, are there any part numbers on the PCBs please?

Might be able to Google them....
 
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