Installing sound in LGB 27410 RhB Tractor (and a couple of repairs).

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Following is a description of how I added sound to my LGB 27410 RhB Tractor locomotive. It also describes a good temporary repair to the tambour (roll-up doors) that were cracked and separated, as is common to many of these locomotives. When completed, I found if to be running jerkily and managed to diagnose a split gear on one of the axles, which was easily replaced with a new one from AllAboutLGB (Product number: 88330049).

This locomotive was already MTS digital with a small LGB onboard decoder. I added a Massoth S decoder with the 822X041 sound project "RhB Traktor Tm2/2 16". I used a CUI Audio miniature rectangular loud speaker (CUI 14028, 8 ohm 2 watt). I built a speaker enclosure from 1/4" ABS sheet and mounted it to the floor of the cargo compartment (4 small screws from underneath). I used some perforated steel from an old computer power supply to protect the upward facing speaker and to add a bit of an industrial look to the "cargo". I soldered a JST connector to the track power leads on the motor block plug. This was to allow the body to be separated from the frame as needed. The mating part of the connector was connected to the sound board through a miniature toggle switch mounted in the cab. This allows the power to the sound board to be turned off if required for silence, or if needed for programming purposes. The onboard decoder can similarly be disabled by the factory installed multi-position switch also in the cab.

The tambour doors were both cracked and separated in 2 or 3 places. I found that using aluminum foil HVAC tape on the back of the doors does an excellent cosmetic and functional job of holding the parts together. It adheres very well and can be rubbed for a very tight contact. I hope to try 3d printing replacement doors in flexible TPU one of these days, but this temporary fix is just fine for now.

There are only six screws holding the body on to the frame, all easily accessible: To remove the body, the front of the frame must be lowered first and then the frame slid back a bit to allow the back to drop down clear of the mounting lugs. Be careful to turn the frame a bit so that the drivers arm does not get broken as it is being removed. Once the two parts are separated, the cargo compartment floor can easily be removed by carefully bending the rear wall back a bit.

Re-assembly is the reverse. The back must be hooked in first and the front last.


Overall , this is a very easy project.

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Here is the finished item:
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This is the speaker that was used. The sound seems about right for this small locomotive:

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This is the back of the speaker with the item number:

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And here is the ABS speaker enclosure all glued together with gel cyanoacrylate glue:

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With an industrial looking protective grill added:

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Here is a picture of the sound decoder toggle switch inside the cab:

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And the toggle switch from below:
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This picture shows where the sound decoder is located. Up inside the body shell adhered with double faced adhesive mounting tape:

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Here is the JST connector soldered to the motor block plug:

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And everything plugged back in:

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This is a diagram of the small onboard decoder showing the connections:

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Another view of the finished locomotive:

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To repair the tambour doors. First carefully align and tape everything together from the fron:

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Then put a layer of the foil tape on one side of the back:

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Put a second strip off to the other side of the back and rub quite hard over the surface for maximum contact:

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Then remove the tape from the front20211107_112709.jpg and trim off any overhanging tape if necessary:
 

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D Distrackted really good account of your work. Just one minor point, you say you used a JST connector (Japanese Solder-less Terminal), the one you used is specifically a JST-RCY.
 

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D Distrackted really good account of your work. Just one minor point, you say you used a JST connector (Japanese Solder-less Terminal), the one you used is specifically a JST-RCY.
Thanks for elucidating the particulars, that's good to know. I'm no expert on connectors. They were from Amazon and just described as 22 gauge 2-pin JST connectors.
 

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Great report D !:) I'm very interested in the how and result of your coming 3D printing project for this flexible door.
Gerard
 

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Hi Gerard, it seems like it is going quite well. I have printed replacement doors out of TPU filament and they are very tough and flexible. I used Creality CR - TPU Gray. It is a different colour than the original doors and has an almost sparkly, metallic look. The only problem with the TPU is that it doesn't print the fine detail on the bottom bar too well. I did an initial print with white20211113_160600.jpg PLA and the details were great but the print is of course not at all flexible. I am currently printing more doors sans the bottom bar on TPU, and will try printing the bar in PETG and laminating it on to the TPU. I have attached a could of photos and will update on my progress. Cheers!20211113_160359.jpg20211113_160426.jpg
 
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I think that looks very good..

A little rust, and grime, and the bottom bar would look suitably care-worn, as it would be on a working vehicle.

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I think that looks very good..

A little rust, and grime, and the bottom bar would look suitably care-worn, as it would be on a working vehicle.

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Thank you!

That's a good point that everything doesn't have to look pristine and perfect.

I'm brand new to this 3d printing thing, having just got my first printer a couple of weeks ago (Anycubic 4max pro 2.0). I'm totally amazed by how good the equipment and software are. Tinkercad is brilliant, super easy to learn, and more than versatile enough for me, as is Cura. I have been able to print PLA, TPU and PETG without problems so far. I have drawn and printed replacement side mirrors for my LGB Amtrak Genesis locomotive, the tambour doors for the RhB tractor, and light fixtures for passenger cars. It's almost surreal

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TPU is a new one to me..

I will have to read-up on its properties..
The ability to print something, with flexibility, and resilience could be really useful. :nerd::wondering:
 

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I have finished this project now having reprinted the doors in TPU, a little bit thinner to operate more easily, and leaving a blank space at the bottom onto which I laminated a more detailed bottom bar, printed in PETG for durability.

You can see and hear the finished item on my Youtube channel, as well as other videos of some of my LGB trains:

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Front with more detailed bar:

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Back with stop:

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TPU is very tough and flexible:
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Door fully closed:

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Door partially rolled up:

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My doors are trashed. Could I ask you to upload that design to Thingverse so I can have it printed?
 

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I wonder if Lego garage doors would work? They're pretty close and they're durable.
 

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My doors are trashed. Could I ask you to upload that design to Thingverse so I can have it printed?
I have put the .stl on thingiverse now, I think. Just search for rollup doors, or maybe LGB 27410. Hope that works out for you.

Cheers!
 

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Also many thanks from me for the original temporary fix. It gave me the impetus to pick up a used model at the Llangollen show (with multiple splits) and repair with HVAC tape. I took me a while to figure out that the yellow cover on the vertical exhaust just pulls off.

Now I just need to find somewhere in the UK to get replacements printed in TPU.