Evening all many thanks for your help, I was having problems with a certain part of the new layout, the Stainz was going over some times but the Rugens diesel stopped, the only differnce was the pick-ups. testing the track showed power all the time, to-day I found out one of the rails went dead with the wieght of the loco on it, I have wired the 2 tracks to-gether and everything is working, I'll leave Kieth to check the pick-ups when he has time, as I drop things Les