G64 Troublesome Truck Conversion
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Now where's me saw?
58mm then. That's just the job, many thanks NeilNeil Robinson said:
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Re:G64 back to back
Now what are you up to????
yb281 said:58mm then. That's just the job, many thanks NeilNeil Robinson said:
Now where's me saw?
Now what are you up to????
Re:G64 back to back
A note of caution here. I remember reading that GRS G64 standards are different from those traditional guage 3. It may be worth checking.
A note of caution here. I remember reading that GRS G64 standards are different from those traditional guage 3. It may be worth checking.
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Now I've always intended to incorporate a standard Gauge interchange siding into the WGLR and recently found room for an 8' long siding. During a recent visit from local GSS members, I even got the offer of a suitable length of 64mm gauge track. So all I now need is some rolling stock to put on it ......... and you can probably see where this is going.
Well, what happened waaaassss - when we were in York on Saturday, I bought one of they Bachmann Thomas troublesome trucks (the new version without a face) with the intention of using it as a battery carrying wagon. But when I opened it up it was HUGE, so spending Sunday in the National Railway Museum, I used their excellent new library to research some measurements of typical standard gauge open wagon of this kind and scaling them down, the Bachmann truck came out pretty well spot-on for 1/22nd scale. Only thing is of course that it's 45mm gauge.adeshers said:Now what are you up to????
Now I've always intended to incorporate a standard Gauge interchange siding into the WGLR and recently found room for an 8' long siding. During a recent visit from local GSS members, I even got the offer of a suitable length of 64mm gauge track. So all I now need is some rolling stock to put on it ......... and you can probably see where this is going
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I've done some photos of the Bachmann wagon compared to various items of narrow gauge stock to show how they compare.
First with my GRS Kerr Stuart 0-4-2T.
With a typical 1/22.5 LGB wagon.
Alongside an Accucraft 1/19th W&L coal wagon.
Best comparison of the lot and exactly the look I'm after, with my Hartland wagon conversions.
I've done some photos of the Bachmann wagon compared to various items of narrow gauge stock to show how they compare.
First with my GRS Kerr Stuart 0-4-2T.
With a typical 1/22.5 LGB wagon.
Alongside an Accucraft 1/19th W&L coal wagon.
Best comparison of the lot and exactly the look I'm after, with my Hartland wagon conversions.
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Now all I have to do it re-gauge the Bachmann truck. I could just buy a new wheel set from GRS, but that would be too easy wouldn't it?
When you consider that the Bachmann truck is widely available for less than 40 quid, that's about half the price of most 64mm gauge kits. And more trucks are on the way. So if I can come up with a fairly easy way of re-gauging, it might mean a much cheaper way of populating the new interchange siding.
Now all I have to do it re-gauge the Bachmann truck. I could just buy a new wheel set from GRS, but that would be too easy wouldn't it?
When you consider that the Bachmann truck is widely available for less than 40 quid, that's about half the price of most 64mm gauge kits. And more trucks are on the way. So if I can come up with a fairly easy way of re-gauging, it might mean a much cheaper way of populating the new interchange siding.
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Thanks for the comparison photos, Mel. I was wondering whether the TT's were going to be suitable. I'm looking for more options to sit on my transporter wagon
. Post some pics of the re-gauging won't you.
Thanks for the comparison photos, Mel. I was wondering whether the TT's were going to be suitable. I'm looking for more options to sit on my transporter wagon
. Post some pics of the re-gauging won't you.
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And Mel, next time go to Skeggy or similar, it works out cheaper in the end
This could populate your siding in real style, even the 'Kat would go green
http://cgi.ebay.de/Spur-3-67-mm-Pul...dellbau_Modelleisenbahnen&hash=item4aa885a284 < Link To http://cgi.ebay.de/Spur-3...mp;hash=item4aa885a284
And Mel, next time go to Skeggy or similar, it works out cheaper in the end
This could populate your siding in real style, even the 'Kat would go green
http://cgi.ebay.de/Spur-3-67-mm-Pul...dellbau_Modelleisenbahnen&hash=item4aa885a284 < Link To http://cgi.ebay.de/Spur-3...mp;hash=item4aa885a284
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Are you thinking of doing 'short sidings' like the L&MVLR? That would look the biz too.adeshers said:Thanks for the comparison photos, Mel. I was wondering whether the TT's were going to be suitable. I'm looking for more options to sit on my transporter wagon
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The finish on that troublesome truck looks very good Mel - if a bit shiney. The black iron work etc. is well detailed. Amazing its so big.
The finish on that troublesome truck looks very good Mel - if a bit shiney. The black iron work etc. is well detailed. Amazing its so big.
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Will do Ade. I've sorted it out in my head how I'm going to attempt it, but every soldier knows that a plan never survives first contact with the enemy ........... so I'll probably make it up as I go along. No change there then.
adeshers said:Thanks for the comparison photos, Mel. I was wondering whether the TT's were going to be suitable. I'm looking for more options to sit on my transporter wagon
Will do Ade. I've sorted it out in my head how I'm going to attempt it, but every soldier knows that a plan never survives first contact with the enemy ........... so I'll probably make it up as I go along. No change there then
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When I was a Sprog I was stationed near Skeggy Pugsworth. I spent some time catching crabspugwash said:And Mel, next time go to Skeggy or similar, it works out cheaper in the end
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The detailing is pretty good mate. I reckon they've probably just "upscaled" one of their OO wagons. The finish is a bit shiney, but a re-spray is one the cards (I suppose I could have bought a grey one and removed the face) plus a bit of weathering ..................... of coursestockers said:
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You're a mind reader you are, Puggy
pugwash said:Are you thinking of doing 'short sidings' like the L&MVLR? That would look the biz too.adeshers said:Thanks for the comparison photos, Mel. I was wondering whether the TT's were going to be suitable. I'm looking for more options to sit on my transporter wagon
You're a mind reader you are, Puggy
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looks a good size for the job, Mel
the boss says we should have some SG - this looks like a good way to do it
looks a good size for the job, Mel
the boss says we should have some SG - this looks like a good way to do it
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Re-gauging the excellent metal wheels supplied with the wagon couldn't be easier.
First the axles were cut in half. You'll need a proper full size hacksaw with a decent blade for this, a junior job just bounces off. I bought a length of ali tubing from B&Q that's a snug fit onto the axles. Enough to do about half a dozen wagons for less than 3 quid.
The ali tube was cut to gauge as in post 3 (actually very slightly less to allow for a little adjustment) and the axles slipped in. These will be held in place with a little epoxy resin when the 58mm back to back will be set. Although my wagon will only ever sit in it's siding (???????), I made sure that the ali didn't touch the metal of the wheels at any point so that they won't short out if it does ever run on a powered track.
As has been mentioned in previous threads, I really hope that Bachmann will sell these wheel sets seperately.
Re-gauging the excellent metal wheels supplied with the wagon couldn't be easier.
First the axles were cut in half. You'll need a proper full size hacksaw with a decent blade for this, a junior job just bounces off. I bought a length of ali tubing from B&Q that's a snug fit onto the axles. Enough to do about half a dozen wagons for less than 3 quid.
The ali tube was cut to gauge as in post 3 (actually very slightly less to allow for a little adjustment) and the axles slipped in. These will be held in place with a little epoxy resin when the 58mm back to back will be set. Although my wagon will only ever sit in it's siding (???????), I made sure that the ali didn't touch the metal of the wheels at any point so that they won't short out if it does ever run on a powered track.
As has been mentioned in previous threads, I really hope that Bachmann will sell these wheel sets seperately.
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Next comes modification of the chassis to take the wider axles.
This is how it comes as standard. The axle boxes are cosmetic, the axles actually run in metal hangers which can be un-screwed. I did contemplate drilling holes in the axle boxes and fitting bearings so that they really worked, but chickened out in the end and went for the original set-up.
I made 3 hacksaw cuts to seperate the buffer beams and cut the chassis down the middle using the coupling mounts as a guide. If you want to retain the tension hook couplings, you'll have to cut in a different way.
The stregthening pieces on the underside of the body have to be cut/filed away where the pen marks are to allow for fitting of the re-positioned chassis pieces. You may notice that the truck has changed colour.
Next comes modification of the chassis to take the wider axles.
This is how it comes as standard. The axle boxes are cosmetic, the axles actually run in metal hangers which can be un-screwed. I did contemplate drilling holes in the axle boxes and fitting bearings so that they really worked, but chickened out in the end and went for the original set-up.
I made 3 hacksaw cuts to seperate the buffer beams and cut the chassis down the middle using the coupling mounts as a guide. If you want to retain the tension hook couplings, you'll have to cut in a different way.
The stregthening pieces on the underside of the body have to be cut/filed away where the pen marks are to allow for fitting of the re-positioned chassis pieces. You may notice that the truck has changed colour
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