WANTED USED LGB Sumpter Mallet 22892 or 20892

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You can add it to your basket and proceed to checkout (I haven't the money to dare to go further!) and the dates are right for the Shoeburyness Festival.
They don't manage their website very well, I think when an item is sold they just delete the link on the main web page but don't delete the item page from the server so it still comes up in web searches. I've had this issue with some other model shops in the past. A similar thing happens with Glendale too.
 
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Yes! It was dark grey not black. :blush:
I actually have a new one in box which I have not seen for some time.
 
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Well, the Uintah Mallet arrived from Tennents and on opening her up it was evident that she was the non-DCC version. ☹
I could install a DCC sound card into her but that would push the purchase costs up.
She has black tanks .... my old one, that I sold on some time back, had grey tanks and was not as black overall.
I expect that the one from Tennents is the model just before they brought out the green tank version.
Let’s see what Tennents say ..

Also my search for a DCC Sumpter Mallet continues.....
 
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I never knew they made one with black tanks, I've only seen the grey German made versions and the green Marklin ones, what code number is the one you got? I presume this must be a more recent Marklin version or is it a Chinese made model from the change over period?
 
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Well I have checked very closely and whilst my old Uintah mallet was decidedly grey in places, this 'new' one is almost all black ..... but there is a hint of grey when comparing the side tanks with some of the 'real' black plastic parts. Maybe it was the last gasp of the moulds before Marklin did their version... or maybe they had discovered something......read on........
In fact the Marklin colour scheme is of the mallet as it was delivered from the Baldwin works.
Uintah soon changed the delivery livery to all black.
(Maybe LGB used black and white photos of the delivery livery when in they were designing it up, and thought that the olive green was grey!)

Also the 'Uintah Railway Co.' lettering on the side tanks was only there as the delivery paint scheme.
Uintah had the tanks just as plain paint with the number (50 or 51) on the side and URY on the cab side:

So LGB inadvertently made up a 'fantasy' livery and Marklin got the Baldwin colouring correct but that was not the livery that actually ran over the Uintah rails.

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Well I have checked very closely and whilst my old Uintah mallet was decidedly grey in places, this 'new' one is almost all black ..... but there is a hint of grey when comparing the side tanks with some of the 'real' black plastic parts. Maybe it was the last gasp of the moulds before Marklin did their version... or maybe they had discovered something......read on........
In fact the Marklin colour scheme is of the mallet as it was delivered from the Baldwin works.
Uintah soon changed the delivery livery to all black.
(Maybe LGB used black and white photos of the delivery livery when in they were designing it up, and thought that the olive green was grey!)

Also the 'Uintah Railway Co.' lettering on the side tanks was only there as the delivery paint scheme.
Uintah had the tanks just as plain paint with the number (50 or 51) on the side and URY on the cab side:

So LGB inadvertently made up a 'fantasy' livery and Marklin got the Baldwin colouring correct but that was not the livery that actually ran over the Uintah rails.

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Typical LGB then, the Mogul is similarly confused as the rebuilt C & S versions has Cook makers plates which none had has other than the chassis they were new locos built by the C & S and the DSP&PRR version was never red!
 
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Still looking for a Sumpter mallet..........
There is a sumpter valley mallet for sale on german ebay hefty price though euro 1600

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Thanks for the heads up, Philip.
Yes I did see that one but I am hoping to get one a bit cheaper than GRS have on offer. Their prices are generally near the top retail even when used.
 
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Thanks for the heads up, Philip.
Yes I did see that one but I am hoping to get one a bit cheaper than GRS have on offer. Their prices are generally near the top retail even when used.
You can always give them a ring..
Assume the advertised price is a 'Buy it now', and make a counter-offer.. :think:
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The SVs have always been expensive unless you get lucky with a private seller or auction. They were the most expensive loco made by LGB until they brought out the Hartz 2-10-2.

Lehmann made less than 1000 of all versions in Germany and even if you add the later Chinese made and Marklin versions there can't be much more than 2000 ever made if that. At least half of those will be in the US and a lot of the rest in Germany. I wouldn't expect there are many more than 100 in the UK.
 
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The SVs have always been expensive unless you get lucky with a private seller or auction. They were the most expensive loco made by LGB until they brought out the Hartz 2-10-2.

Lehmann made less than 1000 of all versions in Germany and even if you add the later Chinese made and Marklin versions there can't be much more than 2000 ever made if that. At least half of those will be in the US and a lot of the rest in Germany. I wouldn't expect there are many more than 100 in the UK.
I think you've just added a few quid to future SVs for sale.
 
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I think you've just added a few quid to future SVs for sale.
LOL, I think all the specialist dealers have been asking over £900 for a few years now.
 
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Yeah Rhino, I have had a wee look at this but it seems that the previous owner has converted it to RC but there is no mention of what system and also it is not working (no battery) so the mechanics can't be tested... also it seems that he has ripped out the DCC and sound :(
Although it is in the price bracket that I am thinking of, it would be a costly risk if it turned out to be a lemon.
Also the missing chimney is a shame as these are no longer available... (yes I know that I could knock one up... but after over half a grand of hard earned is handed over it is salt in the wound etc etc)
 
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To be honest the sound and DCC are not the best and you could get better with a new decoder - the loco is oil fired but you get coal shovelling sounds!
 
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To be honest the sound and DCC are not the best and you could get better with a new decoder - the loco is oil fired but you get coal shovelling sounds!
Yes that is true but it adds to the overall cost of a loco that no-one (including the seller 'Ellis Auctions') knows if it works or not.
It is RC, but there is no battery or transmitter and no idea what RC system it is on,
It also does not work on track power (the original owner did not install a switch for Batt/Track so just disconnected all the pickup wiring.)

I certainly do not mind a project but not when I am paying around 750 (for loco and a DCC decoder) and do not even know if it is operational mechanically.
Someone else can take that risk!.......
Oh yes and it is also missing its chimney and spares are not available anymore.

If it was £300 -£400 then I would take a risk and have a real go at fixing all the problems, customisation, weathering etc
 
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Yeah Rhino, I have had a wee look at this but it seems that the previous owner has converted it to RC but there is no mention of what system and also it is not working (no battery) so the mechanics can't be tested... also it seems that he has ripped out the DCC and sound :(
Although it is in the price bracket that I am thinking of, it would be a costly risk if it turned out to be a lemon.
Also the missing chimney is a shame as these are no longer available... (yes I know that I could knock one up... but after over half a grand of hard earned is handed over it is salt in the wound etc etc)
I heard RioGrandad's SV Mallet on sound, and it seemed pretty OK to me, and the loco is a good puller, although it did stall on a defective turnout where all my Bachmann 2-8-0s just sailed along :nod::nod: