- 24 Oct 2009
It certainly looks to have been "modernised" at some stage! It does not look right at all.
Depends how many £££££ you wanted to spend on slide or print films at the time. Think the most I got through on a "long" trip (2 weeks+) was generally around 10 films, or 370 slides, if you were lucky. Compare this to the 1780 images taken on a digital camera for one 3 week trip to the USA in 2011 !!That's a shame, how did we cope with film?
I think this will probably be as built, Hungary is renowned for strange ideas of where to put things on their Trams/Trains. Just look at the Diesels in the second link from Post 44 above and they are not the oly ones by a long shot. Also if you return to look at the Trams in Post 18 you can see similarities to what our US friends would call Steam Dummies.It certainly looks to have been "modernised" at some stage! It does not look right at all.
The livery alone isn't credible for the age of the engine - I think it looked better like this;-I think this will probably be as built, Hungary is renowned for strange ideas of where to put things on their Trams/Trains. Just look at the Diesels in the second link from Post 44 above and they are not the oly ones by a long shot. Also if you return to look at the Trams in Post 18 you can see similarities to what our US friends would call Steam Dummies.
Which reminds me I would have thought there may be a few Steam Dummies to be posted on this thread. Come on you guys with all the Stars on your Flag!
Sorry Soeren but this does qualify definately a Steam Tram in my book. In fact one of the very first that I had seen when I visited back in 1993. The line is an amazing survival when you conside the length that it runs form the DB Station to the Lake. Well worth a visit and they have a very passable Diesel backuo as well.Hey there,
I just found this,not a real tram but kind of:
Well I've spent some time looking for the information I thought I had! Cannot find it.Well, the first thing is that the loco came from the Bradford Tramways and Omnibus Company (for whom it was built) and not Bradford Corporation Tramways. I have some notes somewhere. I'll dig them out.
Nice photos. Interesting stuff about 1A - unions protesting over on the mainland UK about driver only operation - the engine driver must have had it's work cut out!I rather like steam trams, I have a 1:24 scale version of a Sydney tramways Baldwin steam tram motor and trailer.
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The little Baldwins were remarkably versatile survivors, over their careers doing everything from high frequency tramway service on busy city streets, to hauling goods, timber and shunting heavy rail wagons. They were fast too, there's anecdotal accounts of Bondi expresses in the steam days reaching 80km/h. An 0-4-0 with tramway profile wheels must have been rather exciting at that speed!
Three survive today, two of which are operational.
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Of the three, 1A is the only one not currently operational, though it has run in preservation and from what I understand would only need minor work to run again. Here it is on display at the Sydney tram museum, where it is currently on loan from the powerhouse museum. 1A was one of several motors built locally in Sydney by Henry Vale under license.
At some point it was converted to driver only operation, with duplicate controls on the right hand side of the boiler at each end, and the headlight moved up to roof level to provide better driver visibility.
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By contrast no. 100 (now at the Auckland tram museum in NZ) still retains the original headlight position, and both sets of driving controls are on the same side of the boiler. 100 is fully restored and operational, but I always seem to visit when it's not running, hence the rather average picture!
In service the motors were fired on coke, which apparently meant the fire didn't need a whole lot of attention. The fireman usually stood on the front platform to make rude gestures at careless road users who got in the way.
As well as the Baldwins, Sydney trialed a few different UK made steam tram motors, one of which is mentioned earlier in this thread. They were not successful, generally being too small and light for the work required. Supposedly there was also a UK requirement that all motors made there be limited to a speed of 10mph, something that would have been very limiting in Sydney!
Victoria also had some steam tramways, though nowhere near as extensive as NSW. Melbourne had a huge and well developed cable tramway network from the 1880's, and the regional tramway systems typically went from horse traction straight to electric. The exception was Bendigo, which employed Baldwin motors similar to the NSW ones before electrification.
The difference between the quiet, clean and refined cable tramways in Melbourne and the whistling billowing smoke of the Sydney steam trams was said to be indicative of the difference in character of the two cities, a difference that persists to the present day!
There was another obscure operation in Victoria that was technically a steam tramway, though this one was 3'6"
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The Sorrento tramway ran from the ferry wharf on Port Philip bay across to the back beach, employing little Baldwin 0-4-0's. They were generally similar to a proper steam tram motor, though without the duplicate controls and with a locomotive style cab. In this photo from around 1900 a tram trundles along Point Nepean road past the pub in Sorrento, on the way to the back beach. Sorrento was just as much of a tourist town then as it is now, more than once I've thought about the tramway on the longish walk from the ferry to the beach, 100 years after it closed.
Wow they are beasts and Shays to boot. There were a couple Tram Garratts in Belgium.The New York version of the GER tram engines.....
Yeah they used coke, at least in NSW government tramways service. I'm sure when various redundant steam motors found their way into various industrial and brachline operations they just burned whatever. Apparently the coke burned quite cleanly and efficiently, so stoking the fire at the terminus or the odd crossing loop was enough.Nice photos. Interesting stuff about 1A - unions protesting over on the mainland UK about driver only operation - the engine driver must have had it's work cut out!
Like that little saddletank too.
Did Australian steam trams run on coke like the UK?