Newbie and his Steam Tram

An immense thank you for the info guys.
I purchased traditional steam cylinder oil and butane gas with it and already have lubricating oil lying around the house, however, my biggest issue I’m stuck with at the moment is what the following two levers represent.
Many thanks again

Mr Mann
Looking at the first Picture.
Ok so one on the Left is the Regulator this will turn the Steam on to the Cylinders. One in the Right that leads to the pointy up thing (where you put the gas in) is the Gas Regulator.

Although there appears to be Radio Control Gear in the Loco I cannot see how it Operates the Regulator or anything else for that matter. Have you tried to check out what the Radio works? Without Steam you will not cause any damage by trying this out.
 
I wondered about the RC gear too, as like JonD I couldn't see anything in the way of a servo connected to the regulator handle..... what I suspect is that this loco is only fitted for single-channel operation, and is driven entirely via the reverser handle. If you look at the pics, the reverser does appear to have a servo pushrod connected to it, and the receiver (tucked vertically on the right hand side under the two red handles) has only two plugs going to it - one will be power in from the receiver battery, the other is most likely to the single servo.

This is the way that LGB's instructions suggested that the LGB/Aster Frank S should be operated on RC - just a single channel with one servo on the reverser - the mode of operation is to have the reverser in neutral and open the regulator fully, then you drive the loco by progressive movement of the reverser handle towards its full forward or full reverse positions - gradual movement of the lever progressively uncovers the inlet valves to the cylinders, thus providing a reasonable level of control without having to adjust the fully-open regulator.

I may be wrong, but this is what the photos suggest to me......

Jon.
 
Yes yes Jon you are correct, I’ll attach a photo but I’ve had the body shell off and it appears the RC is to power the regulator only. I’ll attach a photo of the RC remote as only the right center toggle seems to operate anything and that’s by moving it on its left-right axis.
 

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Yep, those pics pretty much confirm it I think - the control is single-channel only, and entirely accomplished via progressive movement of the reverser handle, just like the Frank S. In that case, once the loco is steamed up and up to pressure, you need to make sure that the reverser handle is in the neutral (centre) position, then open the regulator (upper red handle) fully; the loco should not start to move until you move the reverser handle towards the "forward" position via the RC control - just open it a little at a time till something starts to happen, if you whack it fully open the thing will most likely take off like the proverbial scalded cat!

Jon.
 
No as Jon says that is the Forward Reverce Quadrant in Post #23 so control may be possibe exactly as he says. The onky time I came across such control was with some Merlin Locomotives that I had and just one lever and thus Servo controlled Speed and Direction. Quite why yours has a Regulator Lever to turn Steam in or off is a bit of a mystery but there it is.

Must be a little confusing having a Jon and a JonD helping you! The D has been present with my sig for a lot of years having many John friends sometimes with at least 3 of us present at the same time.
 
No as Jon says that is the Forward Reverce Quadrant in Post #23 so control may be possibe exactly as he says. The onky time I came across such control was with some Merlin Locomotives that I had and just one lever and thus Servo controlled Speed and Direction. Quite why yours has a Regulator Lever to turn Steam in or off is a bit of a mystery but there it is..............

The regulator handle will be there so the loco can be driven manually if RC is not fitted, I guess? Frank S has the same three controls - gas valve, steam regulator valve and reverser lever, and that's a pretty standard setup on any live steamer as far as I'm aware (except for those very simple ones that don't have a reverser). If you fit just one channel (one servo) RC, it goes on the reverser lever as we've been discussing; add a second channel and servo and that would operate the regulator, and some folks (if there is room) might add a third on the gas valve, though in my experience most folks leave this as a purely manual control.
The only thing that you need to get your head around is the fact that the loco can be driven from EITHER the reverser handle OR the steam regulator - in the broadest practical terms, they do the same thing in controlling the speed of the loco.

Jon.
 
With a Roundhouse (my most used live steam) it is not possible to get any level of Control via the reverce lever except forwards, reverse and stop. With the Reverser lever at part way lumpy running ensues as the valves are not aligned for proper running. Quite interesting to see the difference with Lee's loco.
 
Please add to my post '...and general facial hair'.

You might have been a female noobette.

tac
OVGRS.org
 
Right now, Barley Pit Works is converting my 3-C Shay to simple reversing block operation, as it has only a simple set of eccentric valves. Any loco that has a similar method of valving and direction control - using a steam block - can be made to operate successfully with just one servo. Even my Maerklin S3/6, a large Pacific express loco, works like this. Our new 45mm track over at Mereside is too big for me to go chasing after the loco all day long, and being able to exercise some control, without getting too much 'personal' exercise, seems like a plan to me.

The reason the most Roundhice don't actually work like this is because they have a somewhat simplifed form of Walschaert gear, with the valving actually set in the cylinder block. Anything less than full gear in either direction will result in lumpy running, As the system is simplified, it cannot be varied, or 'notched up/back' like a full-size loco, or, indeed, one that actually has fully-operational valve gear like my Aster Br01 or Royal Hudson, the latter actually having a notch-back setting on the Johnson bar. To my knowledge there are no full-size locos that operate using a steam block.

tac
OVGRS.org
 
Again thankyou guys your comments and help mean A lot although Tac’s comments on eyebrows leaves me worried about the beard!


Beard!!!!!!!!!! :eek::eek:

Beard, eyebrows, hair on exposed forearms, trousers tend to the 'Robinson Crusoe' look, once spirit has been spilt around the ankles..
Once a few running sessions have been accomplished, then finger-prints become marginal, at the the very least!
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

Oh, and you get addicted to the aroma of hot steam-oil. o_O
 
Hey guys.
Again thanks for all the help.

Had another look at the RC workings and definitely all that appears to function is the reverser lever moving on a left to right pivot, with it ‘springing’ back to its central position automatically when pressure is not being put on the RC control toggle.

I feel a bit more confident now knowing how the right side levers operate so all I need now is an adequate water source and I will attempt a steamup.

Concerning water, I imagine it would be distilled only, with tap water having the same affect as it does on most domestic and wild kettles?
 
Hey guys.
Again thanks for all the help.

Had another look at the RC workings and definitely all that appears to function is the reverser lever moving on a left to right pivot, with it ‘springing’ back to its central position automatically when pressure is not being put on the RC control toggle.

I feel a bit more confident now knowing how the right side levers operate so all I need now is an adequate water source and I will attempt a steamup.

Concerning water, I imagine it would be distilled only, with tap water having the same affect as it does on most domestic and wild kettles?

Very glad that our various advice seems to be helping, Lee!

Regarding water supplies, I was discussing this with various chaps at our monthly indoor meet today at Salcott - most of them are far more experienced with Things Hot and Steamy than I am - and the general consensus is that if you can get REAL distilled water, then that's fine - but most of what is sold today as battery top-up water (or water for irons, whatever they are - can't see what it has to do with soldering myself... ;) ) is actually DE-IONISED rather than distilled, and is not as suitable; most of the guys seem to use rainwater, suitably filtered to remove any crud.

Isn't a Wild Kettle another name for a Water 'Otter.....? (Ducks for cover....)

Jon.
 
Agreed Jon. De-ionised water is chemically balanced to be neutral - it does not necessarily have the calcium removed.
 
I have two Accucraft live steamers (I just got in from steaming one of them :)), and the advice you've been given is all good. I do like the look of the GVT tram loco, but I really don't need another loco - I only have a small line :)

Both of mine are two channel radio control (I converted one from manual, because it was difficult to control - radio control is much easier, especially if the line is not completely flat), but I've run on one channel when e.g. a servo isn't working. Single channel on the reverser is a perfectly good way to run - open the reverser gently to let steam into the cylinders, and use the fine adjustment on the radio control if you need to. You may find you need to give the loco a bit more steam to get it moving initially, then ease back gently once it's started. Gently move the reverser to the centre position to stop the loco. There are no brakes, but the loco will stop quite quickly. It's probably not a good idea to move directly from forward to reverse or vice versa - go through the centre (stop) position before changing direction.

For water, I use a standard drinking water filter (the tap water here is soft anyway). I've had no problems with this. De-ionised water isn't recommended. The main issue to be aware of is never to run the loco without enough water (if you top up the gas and water to the recommended levels, you should have no problems). You can use the supplied syringe to top up the water to the right level, or buy a squirt bottle with a tube.

You will want to cover the chimney with an old rag when you steam the loco the first time each day - my locos tend to blow condensate up the chimney on the first run each session - that can be very messy! The first time you run the loco each session, run it backwards then forwards until the condensate has cleared from the cylinders. It will be jerky at first, but then run smoothly. You can then run it in service. A single run should last about 15-20 minutes. The first run is usually a lot shorter, since the water is cold. On the second and subsequent runs, you are only topping up the water that has been turned to steam in the previous run. Heating this is faster, of course. Note that the water filler will be hot when you've been running and you may also get some steam escaping when you open the brass filler. Gloves are good :). Running on blocks when you start it is good advice. I use a cheap oven tray to catch any oil/water, with two old blocks of flat wood to put the loco on.

The Accucraft burner can be an issue. When you top up the gas, immediately open the gas valve for a few seconds (5-10) to relieve the pressure in the gas tank. Then oil and water the loco without lighting the flame. The gas should disperse. When you are ready, open the gas jet again and light the burner from the smokebox (I use a long gas lighter rather than matches). Make sure the flame pops back into the boiler (you can see a blue U at the back if you look through the smokebox), then you can turn up the gas to heat up the water. If you get a fire in the front of the loco, immediately turn off the gas jet, blow out the fire, let the gas disperse and then try again. If the burner goes out while running, you can relight it, by opening the smokebox and using the gas lighter. Turn the burner down when the steam is up to pressure (about 60psi is recommended for radio control, but you might get away with lower pressures).

For fuel, I tend to use a butane/propane gas mix (seems fine even in the "heat" of a Scottish summer) - if you look on e.g. eBay, you can buy them in bulk for about a pound a canister, including delivery. The ones with the push fit seem to be a lot cheaper than the screw fit, for some reason, but you need a special brass adaptor to use these, which costs a few pounds.

You don't need to over-oil the loco, but it does need proper steam oil each time you run it. I now generally fill the oiler at the beginning of a session, then top it up a little if I run it several times. This is less messy than filling it completely each run.
If the loco starts squeaking, it needs more oil! I'm using a 460 steam oil, which I got cheaply on eBay. One 500ml bottle has lasted me a couple of years :)

When you finish the session, open the regulator and reverser completely rather than closing everything - this will use the remaining steam to blow any condensate out of the cylinders before you put the loco away. Don't tighten up the fillers and leave the gas open when you put it away - that will allow for expansion/contraction (obviously make sure the gas tank is empty :)).

I recommend a Summerlands Chuffer if you can find one that fits your loco - they make a big difference to the sound of the loco at slow speed and are easy to fit :)

Hope that helps!! It's a huge amount of fun - welcome to the world of live steam!
 
Agreed Jon. De-ionised water is chemically balanced to be neutral - it does not necessarily have the calcium removed.
I cheat - I boil ordinary tap water in a knackered old kettle, and remove it from there, just boiled, with the big syringe, and squirt straight into the water filler.

It's a win/win

  1. The calcium is deposited in said knackered kettle
  2. You get quicker steam pressure from hot water
>:)>:)>:)>:)>:)>:)
 
Jon and Stockers, thankyou as always.

Kevinhammond thankyou for the step by step. Especially the smaller pieces of know how as such as the rag for the initial condensate and what not.

And rhino is that an insider secret. Would of never have guessed you could use boiled tap water. My my will have her steaming tomorrow if that’s the truth
 
Jon and Stockers, thankyou as always.

Kevinhammond thankyou for the step by step. Especially the smaller pieces of know how as such as the rag for the initial condensate and what not.

And rhino is that an insider secret. Would of never have guessed you could use boiled tap water. My my will have her steaming tomorrow if that’s the truth

Yes, you're just softening the water. I might try the kettle trick myself to save some gas ;)

Lee, take some photos or a video and show her off here :)
 
I will do Kevin.
I’m afraid in my greediness I purchased all the motive power for my proverbial rail tycoon but have failed to yet lay any rail infrastructure, so all my rail stock is temporarily housed permanently on shelves for now but will get video of her steaming ‘on the blocks’
Have some on its shelf for now though
 

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