LGB Tram Side Advertisments

[Lordraglan274]

No offence taken at all Neil, my apologies if I sounded a bit terse, I did understand your point that just about everything that moved int' North had SHOP at BINNS plastered on it. I was just re-affirming my stance that the adverts were meant to be of unknown advertisers, not the run of the mill Nationals.

 

[dutchelm]

A friend made some vinyl adverts for my trams relating to the area they were supposed to run. Unfortunately he sold the business.

 

[themole]

Nice pics Syd, here are some of mine. Alyn

 

[Bredebahn]

Great job Syd. I find all those old posters fascinating. Interesting that they were hand painted onto the buses.

Things changed in later years I suspect as the production cost of painting onto the sides must have been very high and only suitable for long term local advertising contracts. Paper posters became the norm, much cheaper when produced in volume, until these were ousted by vinyl film - either self adhesive or stretched and backlit within a panel.

We ran some trials with SW Division and 3M at Wimbledon regarding self adhesive panels on trains. Ostensibly these were also for advertising, but 3M were not silly - they could see (as could I!) the potential for relivering trains with vinyl once privatisation came around the corner. The costs and downtime for relivering a train in wrap were significantly (and that's a very big significantly!) less than a painted job - and the train could be returned to its' lessee at the end of any lease term in exactly the same condition as it had been delivered - simply by removing the wrap.

 

[New Haven Neil]

I think you are missing the point here a bit !
What I wanted was the truly local adverts that ONLY appeared on Lowestoft buses and mainly consisted of just one advertisement on just one bus in the fleet.

My apologies. My tongue in cheek post referred to a rather larger fleet, namely Sunderland. I have yet to see a Sunderland tram or bus in any photo between about 1910 to 1970 without a shop at Binns advert.

South Shields too, Neil - you have just twanged my nostalgia sensor! Every SS bus had 'Shop at Binns' on the back!...

We did too - shop at Binns, that is!

 

[yb281]

Great job Syd. I find all those old posters fascinating. Interesting that they were hand painted onto the buses.

Things changed in later years I suspect as the production cost of painting onto the sides must have been very high and only suitable for long term local advertising contracts. Paper posters became the norm, much cheaper when produced in volume, until these were ousted by vinyl film - either self adhesive or stretched and backlit within a panel.

We ran some trials with SW Division and 3M at Wimbledon regarding self adhesive panels on trains. Ostensibly these were also for advertising, but 3M were not silly - they could see (as could I!) the potential for relivering trains with vinyl once privatisation came around the corner. The costs and downtime for relivering a train in wrap were significantly (and that's a very big significantly!) less than a painted job - and the train could be returned to its' lessee at the end of any lease term in exactly the same condition as it had been delivered - simply by removing the wrap.

I've got a small collection of enamel signs (real and reproduction). What amazes me is how many of them included the price of the advertised item, even though the signs were designed to be in place for years. Just goes to show how things were before the advent of inflation.

 

[trammayo]

Not LGB, but the advert (Blakeys) is a Leeds advert on a Leeds steam tram trailer. Blakeys were famous for their cast steel boot protectors and their foundry was at Armley next to the railway station (on the Bramley, Pudsey line).

Like many towns and cities, Leeds had many local advertisers which, even if their advertisements were not kept local, their manufacturing base was in the city. One of the latter was J.E.Mather, manufacturers of Black Beer.

Since 1970, I have been involved in trolleybus preservation (no longer on a hands-on approach unfortunately) and I once met the late Bert Mather - a Leeds Alderman and one-time member of the Transport Committee. The occasion was to seek his family firm's permission to re-instate the 1950's Mather's Black Beer advertisement on the side of a restored trolleybus. This was gladly given and duly professionally re-instated - complete with Black Beer bottles suitably painted in "perspective" so they didn't seem to be falling off the bus!

However, Alderman Mather told the story of meeting the Rolling Stock Engineer one day and asking how one of the trams was doing "was it out all day?)" yes was the reply. Funny said the Alderman, because I've seen it stuck in the works minus trucks!

This was one of the ex-London HR2 cars which sported a Mathers advert. No doubt he asked for compensation (extra days to be added to the contract).

Mick

 

[Alec K]

And, especially for Neil R (and possibly NHN), how about this hybrid? Picture by courtesy of Pete Barlow.

No longer with us in this form, of course.

Regards,
Alec K


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[Lordraglan274]

I like your rake of Yellow tram trailers Mike, and I didnt know they came with the 3 bay window body style either. All mine are 4 bay although one hasnt got the cab windscreen, I wonder if it was produced like it or got broken and discarded. The trouble of buying second hand is the lack of history for the stock!

 

[dutchelm]

I like your rake of Yellow tram trailers Mike, and I didnt know they came with the 3 bay window body style either. All mine are 4 bay although one hasnt got the cab windscreen, I wonder if it was produced like it or got broken and discarded. The trouble of buying second hand is the lack of history for the stock!

My trams have been highly modified, bodies swapped & many have had windscreens added. They will give collectors many problems later.

 

[trammayo]

I love LGB trams - wish I had bought some when I could afford (moral; never put off until tomorrow what you can do today!). Now I have to be content with admiring other folks's collections.

Here is my Bachmann tram & trailer - local to County Mayo although not period!

Mick

 

[trammayo]

Also found a copy of Mathers Black Beer booklet c1950. Pictures show Leeds Horsfield tram (in blue livery) and a Bradford utility bodied bus.

Mick