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Dinas Bryn

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Morning all we have got a few locos and we thought it might be an idea to buy some new Buler motors LGB No 62201 short shaft for what? 62204 long shaft for what, I have changed to RhB but Keith has got a mixture, any help? Les
 
Les, if you have the instruction leaflet for any loco, it will have a list of spares in it which will give you the right sort of motor, traction tyre, etc.

If you don't have the leaflet, or can't be bothered looking for it, go here:

http://www.champex-linden.de/cl_pi_...re, look at another example of the same loco.
 
Dinas Bryn said:
Buler motors LGB No 62201 short shaft for what? 62204 long shaft for what,
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Les, the 62201 fits most standard LGB locos. By standard LGB I exclude the Toy Train and Feldbahn types as well as at least one of the new LGB Marklin types (the E10).
Two steam outline exceptions are the American Mogul, which uses the 62204 long shaft motor and the Rugen 0-8-0 that has a longer bodied motor, the 62210.
Other exceptions include rack locos, Railbuses, tractors and the hand pump P.W. trolley.
 
Changing the subject slightly, does any one know how many hours use a Standard Buler 62201 motor is expected to do? I seem to get get thro a lot of motors! Thanks Doug Nicholls
 
No Doug, I dont know how long. It will depend on the speed you run at and the load on the drawbar.
I run my stock regularly and for hours at a time. Some of mine must have done many thousands of hours. To date I have not worn out a single motor (unlike the chrome on the wheels). What are you doing to the poor blighters?
 
most of my stainz date from mid 70's to late 80's and they all apear to have original motors, I've only ever replaced one motor and that was for a damaged worm
Changed loads of axles and gears
 
Thanks for replies. Some of my locos are nearly 20 years old & using original motors with no failures. But most of my motor failures have been in my LGB 2091 (2) & 2095 (4) Austrian locos & Rhb Railcars (4) which I use as diesel railcars with pantographs removed as 5090 class railcars on Ybbsitz branch on Ybbstalbahn with light loads. These are 8 to 10 years old & have been run for many hours. I was discussing this with GRS on Tuesday as I had THREE motor failures last week in both 2091's & a 2095. I have been greasing gears & oiling axles in motor bogies & we think only grease should be used in motor bogies as oil could get to motors. But as other of my locos/railcars have not failed with the same maintenance it is a puzzle. Yours Doug Nicholls
 
The only Buhler motors I've ever had fail prematurely have been in my original blue krok, and a Stainz, both of which were made around 2001. I believe there was a whole batch of outsourced (ie. PRC) Buhler motors that failed prematurely from around that era. A friend of mine in Germany had some motors fail from locos made in that exact same time window. I would be curious to know how widespread a problem it is (was).

Keith
 
DougLN said:
I was discussing this with GRS on Tuesday as I had THREE motor failures last week in both 2091's & a 2095. I have been greasing gears & oiling axles in motor bogies & we think only grease should be used in motor bogies as oil could get to motors. But as other of my locos/railcars have not failed with the same maintenance it is a puzzle. Yours Doug Nicholls
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I have revived a fair few "failed" motors over the last few years.
Most of them have been the later can motors that have suffered from lubricant contamination of the commutator and brushgear.
This topic gives more details.
http://www.gscalecentral.net/tm?m=1237&high
IMHO the price of replacements makes attempted resuscitation worthwhile even if you have a limited success rate.
 
Thanks Neil. I had read your posting before, Jon Dunford I think, told me about them in 2010 when I joined GSC. Reading them again, I think my motor failures are due to a mixture of worn out due to heavy use & oil contamination from my maintenance method. From now on I am using grease only in motor bogies & see what happens! Many thanks DougN
 
Hmm, no idea of their age but I replaced both motors in my Nicki & Frank S as both worked but at different speeds plus one in a Stainz that was fried. The original Buhler motors seem capable of 30+ years if treated reasonably.
I was interested to note the that the motor in my Piko BR80 seems to be of a similar standard too, that only failed due to a bad contact caused by dodgy asssembly work.
 
I have LGB locos that include some that date back to the 60's, all Buhler/LGB combinations, plus some re-motored Bachmann trams, fitted now with Buhler motors and non have failed. The golden rule DO NOT over oil them, and keep the brush and commutators clean, free from crud and carbon dust. Alyn.
 
If we add that 62204 motors power 2044 and 2045 Rhb electrics, a comprehensive list has indeed been created.
Of equipment which I have had from new over the past 35 years, I have had five failures (some salvageable): 2 from unattended derailment w/overload, 1 w/worn bearing(s), 2 from an automated reversing loop system that caused intermittant shorts through the motors.
I have taken to purchasing questionable ones off e-bay (gambling) and am amazed at the amount of use exhibited in worn brushes and bearings which I cannot come close to duplicating on my own well-worn locos. Amazingly, application of better used parts generally puts life back into them.
I greatly prefer the older motors with the removeable brushes/holders.
 
Yes I believe most of them bullet-proof given proper care as you point out, Alyn, with the exception of that run from around 2001. Interesting that Piko has switched to Buhler in the BR64.

Keith
 
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