LGB/Marklin new stock with Marklin decoder - ?problems?

The analogue daughter-board you have to remove..

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Underside of board, showing components..

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Looking at the Rhatia main board it does look like it has partial voltage regulation (for the lights maybe). I understand that they use 6v for the firebox light, not sure about the cab lighting.

Phil do you have a pic of the analogue daughter board?
 
muns said:
Looking at the Rhatia main board it does look like it has partial voltage regulation (for the lights maybe). I understand that they use 6v for the firebox light, not sure about the cab lighting.

Phil do you have a pic of the analogue daughter board?
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Mark, I was busy ripping carefully taking the final one apart, as I did not have a pic of the underside of the daughter board!!
See above post.. ;) ;)

I can't read the legends on the four flat items to the left, but they appear to be 'three-legged'.. The components on the right, connecting Aux 1-3, have '000' on them, so ?may? be zero ohm 'resistors' ??

The lights, and smoke unit (white/black leads) are 5V.

When I wired an 'ordinary' XLS in, I bent the pins I put in for Aux2 and Aux3 together, and connected the Li I (Internal Light) output of the XLS to this commoned connection.. This gives the Cab and Firebox light on by the lighting button.
 
Sorry Phil, the pics did not display for me when I posted above, hence the question :)
 
I was probably away from the computer taking the loco apart etc.
No problem..

This loco had a beating somewhere in the distribution-chain.. It will be interesting to see how we fair getting spares for it! >:(
 
Spares? Just send it back.

As for voltage - I can confirm that my Franzburg M1 is at full line viltage (CV50 = 32) and the lights are just fine.
A1,2 are for accessories (lights) CV54-57 are not for sound. The Sound triggers are CV131 - 148 so dont trigger A1 or 3.
So the decoder probably is plug and play.
If you want the sprog readout from my Franzburg please just ask.
 
stockers said:
Spares? Just send it back.

As for voltage - I can confirm that my Franzburg M1 is at full line viltage (CV50 = 32) and the lights are just fine.
A1,2 are for accessories (lights) CV54-57 are not for sound. The Sound triggers are CV131 - 148 so dont trigger A1 or 3.
So the decoder probably is plug and play.
If you want the sprog readout from my Franzburg please just ask.
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Thanks Alan, I might just ask for that!

This thread has drifted from 'can you change the address with Massoth kit?' to a general discussion of all things Massoth M1 and the Marklin decoder..

SO...

The big questions remain..
Concerning the new BR 139:
1. Can a Nav. / Massoth CS be used to change the address of this loco?
2. If 'yes', then do you need to 'just' change CV 1, rather than use the 'loco address' option in CV Programming?
3. If 'no', then what are Owners supposed to do who have Massoth kit? - Which has (sort-of) been a LGB de-facto standard.

Unfortunately, the loco and Massoth kit were at GRS. - They do supposedly have another BR 139 which exhibits the same characteristics. So means I am not able to take this further at the moment.

Does anyone admit to having one of these yet?

If so, what address are you running it on?
What DCC equipment are you using?
would you be prepared to try to change the address?
 
I will have a copy of my Franzburg M1 settings at Peterborough.
 
I only glanced through the manual, but from what I understood the decoder is ex factory set up for mfx mode. You can program both a long and a short address and CV29 determines which one is used. So, perhaps you changed the address successfully, but you have to activate the short address?
 
Beddhist said:
I only glanced through the manual, but from what I understood the decoder is ex factory set up for mfx mode. You can program both a long and a short address and CV29 determines which one is used. So, perhaps you changed the address successfully, but you have to activate the short address?
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If you change the address using the Navigator 'change address' function, it does not work. - Though we were trying to change the address from '3' to '6', so CV 29 should not be affected??

If you change CV's 17 and 18, you get ticks back, and a twitch of the motor(s). - Again, we were trying to change the address to '6'..
I had already loaded the car, and was trying to leave when Matthew threw 'have a quick look at this' at me!
In some ways, I wish I had brought it away with me, but I think he thinks Marklin/LGB/Hobby co will sort it out for him..

Unfortunately, I am 93 miles away from the engine, so unable to do any more tests..
 
I very recently bought the new Maeklin/LGB Kof 22930. I put it on my Program Track and changed CV1 to the last two numbers as is my Standard (63) with no problems whatsoever. I used my Massoth Navigator for thus. I would assume that thus is pretty much a new Chip as it is an update from the older Kof's comming as it does with Sound. So with all that is being said on the thread, I wonder what is going on with Maerklin/LGB?
JonD
 
I am wondering if this loco (BR 139) having two motors, is pulling too much current for the Navigator in programming mode?

Of course, there could be a faulty batch of decoders, I suppose?
 
More fun and games with the new Marklin/LGB stock and the Massoth XLS M1 decoder..

I am really beginning to think all the design / programming guys from these two companies need locking in a room, and seeing who comes out on top!! ::)

Right:

XLS M1 supplied in a box with speaker, marked up for anniversary set Rhatia..

1. On my digitrax I get a constant firing of a whistle.
2. Rear lights on going forward.
3. Guess what? Front lights on going backwards.
4. Interior light is via A2 on interface of loco, so controlled by F2 button (as is a sound).
5. firebox light is via A3 on interface of loco, so controlled by F3 button (also a sound).

Remember this decoder is supplied in a box labelled for this particular loco.
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I had the same 'constant whistle' with a standard XLS wired into the other four of these I have done. - This appears to be an incompatibility between my Digitrax CS and the Massoth decoder. It does not do this (luckily) when I put it on a MTS / Massoth CS.

I CAN alter the programming to get the lights to function correctly. But I should NOT have to surely?
This has to be a design / implementation problem.
 
When using the XLS M1 for anniversary set Rhatia is there some secret trick to getting the smoke unit to work? The plug and play worked well enough but I must say I am very disappointed in the sound. My heidi has a Zimo in it and the sound is soo much different.
 
itsmcgee said:
When using the XLS M1 for anniversary set Rhatia is there some secret trick to getting the smoke unit to work? The plug and play worked well enough but I must say I am very disappointed in the sound. My heidi has a Zimo in it and the sound is soo much different.
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Are you saying you plugged yours in, and all the problems from last post but one had been addressed?

Should not be a problem with the smoke unit.. Did you by any chance disconnect one of the leads when the loco was open?

As to the sounds.. They seem to have decided 'you' will want all the various announcements, rather than 'loco noises'.. The noises are available on higher functions. - Suppose it depends if the announcements mean anything to you??
One of the anniversary loco's I did, the Owner wanted the Heidi sound files loading.. Now that caused a 'discussion'.. ;)
 
Talking to Andreas at Stafford (the LGB man) its pretty obvious that Marklin do not expect you to play with decoders. You are a subservient user who does as hes is told!
 
stockers said:
Talking to Andreas at Stafford (the LGB man) its pretty obvious that Marklin do not expect you to play with decoders. You are a subservient user who does as hes is told!
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AND if you want to talk technical to them, you WILL learn technical German..

Contacted their helpdesk for connection information of the Marklin Spur 1 interface.. .. .. Still waiting..
 
More 'features' of the Marklin Rhatia, and the XLS M1..

Client wants the lights to be 'right for RHB'..
Apparently, this means a single off-side light on the rear, and all three on the front. - Depending on direction of travel.
This is easy (well fairly) to achieve on the front, as all three lamps are individually wired to the main-board.
However, a single 2-pin connector is used for the three light on the rear of the cab. Grrrrr! I have got the board out and off (eventually!), so I can add an extra wire for the one rear light. This *could* be wired into the cab-light, but to get the wiring cover and lamp holder out of the roof would require the rear glazing 'pinging' off.. It would appear Marklin adhesive is more robust then LGB adhesive used to be.
:mad::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Then 'all' I have to do is get it back together, and work out what to plug where to get the light signature he wants.
 
dunnyrail said:
I very recently bought the new Maeklin/LGB Kof 22930. I put it on my Program Track and changed CV1 to the last two numbers as is my Standard (63) with no problems whatsoever. I used my Massoth Navigator for thus. I would assume that thus is pretty much a new Chip as it is an update from the older Kof's comming as it does with Sound. So with all that is being said on the thread, I wonder what is going on with Maerklin/LGB?
JonD
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I left my 22930 well alone - I have a Navigator MTSIII combo so all loks are on short addresses. It's no use Märklin expecting customers not to change the addresses of their locos at least.
 
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