Duncan had been asking whether they were used in the USA.
At the moment, we don't think so
Hsb Rollböcke
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At the moment, we don't think so
Why not? That there were 2 lines that used them in UK is somewhat odd, but they did serve a purpose on the Leek and Manifold at 2'6" Gauge. After the closure of the L&M they went to the Ashover where I believe the performance on the 2ft Gauge was not so good. So perhaps if your concept is 75cm or above it would be believable.
JonD
Yeah the L&M ones were wagons, more along the lines of the Austrian wagons, rather than the simple bogies here.
GRS used to make a kit of the L&M wagons - don't know if it still features in their much reduced catalogue.
Edit: - yes it does, in the 45mm section
GRS used to make a kit of the L&M wagons - don't know if it still features in their much reduced catalogue.
Edit: - yes it does, in the 45mm section
Yes the L&M ones are more akin to the type known as Rollwagen in Europe and the HSB have them too. The Rollbocke are slightly different in being separate bogies.
A few picks of the actual ones on the Harz.
They had on brakes so were usually marshalled between brake vehicles with high level buffers.
They had on brakes so were usually marshalled between brake vehicles with high level buffers.
Occasionally - standard gauge bogie wagons on modern roll blocks.. Their own ballast come from the quarry and they use standard gauge hopper wagons on roll wagons.
Made up some inter wagon couplings to allow both sets to run together. Just 5mm tube with brass wire bent into a 'eye' loop at the ends to fit the pin couplings.
And I bought the bits to follow his example but have hidden the wheels somewhere!
Comparison of the heritage and modern Rollböcke here
http://www.schmalspuralbum.de/displayimage.php?pid=13532&fullsize=1
There seems to be a slight mix up with couplers. Roll blocks did not use coupling bars (they located on the axles of the standard gauge ) where as the roll wagons did.
Ok I based it on an article
http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/printview.php?t=4895&start=0
And photos of other lines Rollböcke as I only had pics using the buffers on the HSB.
This HSB converter also suggests they could as its equipped with buffers and the pin coupler.
http://www.fgb-galerie.de/details.php?image_id=646&sessionid=39faccb190dd565c5f8a89884bda8886
And just out of interest the modern version also available as a model.
http://www.swisstrains-stp.ch/2015/Roll-bock_echelle_IIm.html
http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/printview.php?t=4895&start=0
And photos of other lines Rollböcke as I only had pics using the buffers on the HSB.
This HSB converter also suggests they could as its equipped with buffers and the pin coupler.
http://www.fgb-galerie.de/details.php?image_id=646&sessionid=39faccb190dd565c5f8a89884bda8886
And just out of interest the modern version also available as a model.
http://www.swisstrains-stp.ch/2015/Roll-bock_echelle_IIm.html
Hm yes I am mixing my Rollblock and Rollwagens. The English ones were indeed Rollwagens. Hangs head in shame.
I have seen odd pics of Rollblock being moved around without SG Wagons on. I am pretty sure that they had some kind of Bar on them. But I do think that it makes sense as Paul has done to have an Intermediate Bar for Model Purposes. However as I had problems with the Bars on mine on slightly less than perfect Track in the Garden wonder how they will perform in service. I am probably going to make up some Universals (1 to each Bar) to get the Twist sorted on my Rollwagen Coupling Bars. My original Single Twiddle Structure on the Bars did not quite do the Job.
JonD
I have seen odd pics of Rollblock being moved around without SG Wagons on. I am pretty sure that they had some kind of Bar on them. But I do think that it makes sense as Paul has done to have an Intermediate Bar for Model Purposes. However as I had problems with the Bars on mine on slightly less than perfect Track in the Garden wonder how they will perform in service. I am probably going to make up some Universals (1 to each Bar) to get the Twist sorted on my Rollwagen Coupling Bars. My original Single Twiddle Structure on the Bars did not quite do the Job.
JonD
I'll try coupling the SG wagons and see how it goes but it'll be a couple of weeks before I get to run them.
Now I fancy a converter wagon too though
Now I fancy a converter wagon too though
Top marks to GRS for prompt delivery.
The wheels were too wide so I just popped out the axle boxes and cut a slot in the frame outside the longitudinal and they clip fit in!
Axle on the Rollböcke
In place
And in the Rollböcke
The wheels were too wide so I just popped out the axle boxes and cut a slot in the frame outside the longitudinal and they clip fit in!
Axle on the Rollböcke
In place
And in the Rollböcke
?? Ah, sorted it! 
Had to look at the axle-box picture three times, and read the text twice! But I got there!!
Had to look at the axle-box picture three times, and read the text twice! But I got there!!
I literally just cut a slot outside the longitudinal to move them out by a few mm each side. I used a rotary disc carefully unless you look very closely it's not obvious but the bigger wheels look so much better.
unless you look very closely it's not obvious but the bigger wheels look so much better.
Just tested them in R1 curves and the G64 wheels j u s t miss the Rollböcke wheels! I don't use R1 now but it's good to know