Dating Stainz Locos

[sparky230]

From my Notes and from the Greeburg guide

2010 Stainz, Usally Straight Stack with No1 on Cab, Some late versions were supplied with a No2 Cab usally has 1994 on makers plate

1968-1970 Unpainted Black boiler with green cab, no gold leaf on lgb or numbers, no gold leaf round windows, no lighting sockets, round vent on cab, little or no cab details, no pick up shows, spur motor, black boiler handwheels. Small buffers, small lamps
Some late versions have gold leaf on Cab
1971- 1973 as above but with split chassis and pickup shoes, some versions again have Gold leaf numbers and LGB
1974 -1976 as above but with Gold Leaf Windows and Large buffers, large lamps, some early ones have no lens in lamps, change to cab vent and whistle added detail to cab
1977-82 Dark brown cab, as above but with rear lighting sockets, usally fitted with clear front lens, and red rear lens, but this is not deffinitive, some versions have gold hand wheels, some have black, There are some light brown cabs from same period and oddly some 2020's with the 2774 works numbers but with No1 Cabs.
1983-86 as above but with Letzte HU 26.6.79 on front buffer beam, locos of this date usally have brass handwheels, Known examples in Dark Brown and Green

Will do 2010D's and 2020's and 2040's later

 

[sparky230]

2010d D signifies factory Fitted Straight working smoke Stack

All versions same as standard 2010

Apart From

1977-1982 Version with working stack supplied in Dark Green not Dark Brown

1986 Onwards due to a Lack of No1 Cabs, 2010D's were supplied with No2 cabs from 2020's some had the 1994 works plate, some had the 2774 2020 works plate, but were all supplied with the Working Straight Stack, All marked 2010D on Chassis


2020

As per 2010 But Original Loco was Light Brown

1974-1979 Saw the Change to Gold Leaf windows and LGB, Roof vent, whistle,larger Buffers Cab lighting sockets apeared in this period
1979 -1982 Saw the change to the Now standard Green Cab of a No2,
1983 Have either Letzte HU 26.7.79 or sometimes Letzte 26.2.76 on front of Chassis, Brass handwheels.
1985 Onwards came with factory Fitted Smoke stacks


2040

1968-1970 Black Loco, No gold leaf, basic Boiler detail, Straight Stack, However it's Know some versions were made with the baldwin stack, No 4 on Cab, sometimes one turns up with goldleaf on numbers, Small headlights, Round vent and larger whistle, sometimes has bezel on front lamp
1971 -1974 as above but on Split chassis with skates
1975 As above but with greater Boiler detail, cab detail, later cab vent, small whistle, later large lights, versions exist with either lens or without. Usally no Cab sockets, But I have seen one with

From time to time various coloured No4 cabs turned up in factory specials, The number 4 Cab moulding was often used for the Xmas Locos

There are Locos that dont Match any of these notes, Slight changes to roof design in later models, The very last Stainz with metal rods the 2120D used the Later No2 Cab Mouldings but on a Sandwitch box.

Factory specials or Sets Often Had Locos in Non standard Colours, But by looking at the general design of the loco a Date can usally be found. Some sets are Listed in Greenburgs, Some Basic Sets had locos missing lights or sockets, Common one of these is the Primus range, made for the German chain of shops.

 

[Brixham]

Phew....it's just gone Valentine's day....and I thought that this was some weird way of expressing things!!!

But no, a proper piece of work.

I too have various hybrid Stainz's...made up from parts. What looks like should fit together..sometimes doesn't!

Malcolm

 

[Handsomerob]

So I have an odd ball 2010D from sometime after 1986 is what you are stating in your above break down

 

[sparky230]

Yes you have a late cab with the extra pip mouldings on roof, later lighting sockets, it has the works plate of a 2020, and the cab of a 2020, but a factory fitted 2010 chassis with working smoke stack, which would date it to 1985 at the earliest , It's pre 1990 as has split or clamshell mech.

 

[PhilP]

The one on the right here is the first brown (very dark) cab I have seen..
What shade is the light brown one?

 

[sparky230]

This one

 

[Handsomerob]

This is a great repository of information, I really knew nothing off LGB engines, I had heard about their bullet proof construction and the quality that goes along with the name but other then that I new nothing.

I am currently trying to acquire a L.G.B. 92177 "Helena" 0-4-0 "Iron Mountain Co"

again knowing nothing of it.

my 2010D however has done nothing but impressed me, I plan to sit down and give it a nice little detail in the next little while.

I do have a question however, if the smoke element is bad in this engine how hard is it to replace?

 

[sparky230]

5 mins you just unscrew it, and replace whole stack, unlike the newer ones you replace the element, Uk cost about £20

 

[PhilP]

Sparky keeps beating me to it!!!

Regarding 'light brown..

Hmmmm...
I know I have difficulties distinguishing between shades (made some chemistry lessons a bit of a guess), but that does not look 'brown' to me at all??
Looks more ?orange? - Have to wait until I see one in the flesh, probably..

Thanks anyway.


Regarding smoke unit..

Dead easy, either pull old unit out top of stack (carefully) with thin pliers. Cut wires and solder in new. DO NOT let the wires fall down the chimney!
You can drop the block off the bottom, and make the conections.. You will need to do tis if the wires have fallen down the stack. - Do not ask how I know! :

Else if an older loco, unscrew the chimney off the nut underneath. - Watch for the nut falling out of the bottom of the loco, and screw in a replacement.

 

[sparky230]

Yes photo does make it orangy but it is light brown

 

[Handsomerob]

Won this one on Ebay, I really gotta stop going on Ebay . . .

Any info on it? looked real pretty and in good shape.

 

[stockers]

Nice little engine. Its slightly smaller than the Stainz. The same Chassis is used on the Otto which is a fairly common European based loco. Should do you well.

 

[Rhinochugger]

I have a slight problem with this thread title O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0







I know it was Valentine's day over the weekend but some people need to get out a bit more 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

 

[PhilP]

She may only be little, but look at the way she wiggles her pistons!!
: :
Hmmm.. Yeeersss!
See what you mean.. Nurse! Bring my meds. please!!

 

[Railway42]

It is a Toy Train LGB 92177 the 9 defines the Toy Train items.