ge_rik
British narrow gauge (esp. Southwold and W&LLR)
That looks beautiful. Your modelling and painting skills are far superior to mine. An excellent conversion.
Rik
Are there any British style G scale trains?
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British narrow gauge (esp. Southwold and W&LLR)
Me too!!Ooooh!
I like that.
PhilP.
Rik
Not sure how I missed this on Monday, but that is a most believable conversion of a Stainz. Clearly the bravery of cutting off the chimney, sundry domes and possibly other stuff has had the desired effect.
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Wonderfully done.
BigTrainMods
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Thanks all! Hope to detail the conversion process in the future when I have a few spare evenings to write up.
NCS from Qbyn
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I read through all the comments in this string. It seems to me that what is lacking is an offering from LGB/Marklin of British standard gauge [4ft 8.5in] locos, with electric motors and DCC, that will run on 45mm gauge track.
While I know their focus is on German/Swiss locos, they have also produced quite a number of USA locos over the years. However, I have never seen any UK locos from them. I imagine this might have something to do with market demand, but you would think that some of the iconic UK steam locos, such as Flying Scotsman and Mallard, would have an appeal to people outside of just the UK - such as in the US and Australia and maybe even continental Europe.
Personally, I am not too fussy about the exact scale, but surely if they can do US locos, which I presume are not narrow gauge [are they?], then they could do British Standard gauge as well, don't you think?
I was wondering if anyone has actually approached LGB/Marklin and asked them whether they would contemplate making affordable models of some UK locos. I mean, I would have thought someone would have asked them, but there is no reference to such a request on here - or at least I haven't seen anything [which is by no means the same thing - I know]. By affordable, I mean at a comparable price to the rest of the models they make - not those high-end metal collectors items.
The only decent UK locos I have seen are the Accucraft live steam models - but they are astronomically expensive and don't use electric motors or DCC.
So, is anyone aware of Marklin's, or for that matter PIKO's, views on this issue?
Is there even any interest, on here, for them to make such models?
While I know their focus is on German/Swiss locos, they have also produced quite a number of USA locos over the years. However, I have never seen any UK locos from them. I imagine this might have something to do with market demand, but you would think that some of the iconic UK steam locos, such as Flying Scotsman and Mallard, would have an appeal to people outside of just the UK - such as in the US and Australia and maybe even continental Europe.
Personally, I am not too fussy about the exact scale, but surely if they can do US locos, which I presume are not narrow gauge [are they?], then they could do British Standard gauge as well, don't you think?
I was wondering if anyone has actually approached LGB/Marklin and asked them whether they would contemplate making affordable models of some UK locos. I mean, I would have thought someone would have asked them, but there is no reference to such a request on here - or at least I haven't seen anything [which is by no means the same thing - I know]. By affordable, I mean at a comparable price to the rest of the models they make - not those high-end metal collectors items.
The only decent UK locos I have seen are the Accucraft live steam models - but they are astronomically expensive and don't use electric motors or DCC.
So, is anyone aware of Marklin's, or for that matter PIKO's, views on this issue?
Is there even any interest, on here, for them to make such models?
If you want British outline, on 45mm gauge track, then you are talking gauge 1..
Comparing/running these alongside metre gauge European, would be like running O gauge British outline models on SM32 track, alongside a FR diesel.
It may be a bit too far, for those who think UK 'modern image' is a fifty year old diesel?
PhilP.
Comparing/running these alongside metre gauge European, would be like running O gauge British outline models on SM32 track, alongside a FR diesel.
It may be a bit too far, for those who think UK 'modern image' is a fifty year old diesel?
PhilP.
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Indeed PhilP. That would be Gauge 1 or 1/32nd. Using LGB or similar track would have sleepers of the wrong size, not to mention the rail cross section.
That is of course the trouble with LGB and others and their ‘rubber rulers’.
The model buying population have become mightily confused with all the different scale/gauge definitions.
Sorry, rant mode off.
That is of course the trouble with LGB and others and their ‘rubber rulers’.
The model buying population have become mightily confused with all the different scale/gauge definitions.
Sorry, rant mode off.
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We modified a Stanz, my son three d printed a cab back / smoke box and some detail parts. Its got a turned brass boiler and is shortend 5/16" at the back.
Apologies for dodgy transfers etc, the photos make it look worse than the reality.
Got one of the 2076 side tank to butcher up next.
Apologies for dodgy transfers etc, the photos make it look worse than the reality.
Got one of the 2076 side tank to butcher up next.
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NCS from Qbyn
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Yeah, but the Aster steam loco you pictured sells for $9,600 - and that is for a used model. And it is live steam, not with an electric motor and DCC. This is just the sort of thing I was NOT talking about.
Funnily enough, I have a Corpet Louvet from LGB that I bought new many years ago from LGB, before they were sold to Marklin. It has a DCC chip, but no sound. I use it with one of those sound tenders that LGB also produced. At least that was a relatively in-expensive purchase, back in the day.
I know that Marklin are a bit cagey about new models, but I am just asking if anyone has actually asked them about doing any classic British steam locos for the track powered DCC market on 45mm gauge. I don't know which particular scale would fit the 45mm tracks that we use, but as long as it looks reasonable with the G Scale infrastructure [ie buildings, signals etc], surely that would be better than nothing. I mean, maybe you wouldn't want to run it next to one of their narrow gauge locos, but if it were running on its own it might be OK.
I have quite a few track powered LGB steam locos with DCC - some from German prototypes and some from US prototypes. I suspect a number of those do not compare with one another well on true scale, but I don't run them all at once. Purists may well baulk at this, but I suspect a lot of people are like me and are not quite so worried. It would just be nice to be able to run some affordable track powered DCC British outline locos on the layout.
Nigel
NCS from Qbyn
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After further research of your comment about the correct scale descriptor for standard gauge on 45mm track being Gauge 1, I did a quick look for anything for sale in that scale.
Sure enough, there was a live steam market in the UK, but I also found that Maerklin do a range of track powered Mfx/DCC gauge 1 models. The only problem is they seem to be very up-market metal construction jobs - priced up around the 4000 Euro mark.
Still, it shows they do make several models at this scale for track power, so maybe they could be enticed to expand that range? Just a thought.
See their current range at Locomotives | Märklin Website DE
Or, maybe the people that make live steam models in the UK, could be persuaded to also make track powered models? I get the feeling there might be a bit of "that's beneath our dignity" going on here, but hey, I could be wrong!
There just seems to be a hole in the market, that no-one seems particularly interested in filling. Ie an equivalent market to the one that exists for track powered G-Scale locomotives on 45mm track,
but at Gauge 1. ie standard gauge track powered affordable models in the same way we have had narrow gauge affordable models from LGB et al for many years. [I guess 'affordable' is a movable feast, but I think you can see what I am getting at.]
I still wonder whether the LGB models of US locos, such as the Mikado and the Moguls, are narrow gauge, or not. Did those prototypes run on narrow gauge lines in the USA? Or, are they just not properly scaled, when compared to their narrow gauge European locos?
Whatever, I have examples of all of these, and they look OK on my otherwise G-Scale layout. But, as I say, I don't use them all at the same time!
Cheers
Nigel
Bill Bagal
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Friend has a Class 66. I was looking for some appropriate freight cars to go behind it but couldn't find anything. This thread seems to confirm there isn't anything readily available. He does have a couple of Bachmann hoppers so maybe he will have to get more US outline stock?
Tower Brass do a few BR Steam Locomotives in 1:32 for gauge ! Track.
tac foley
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British outline running on 45mm gauge track is called Gauge 1 - 1/32nd scale or sometimes 10mm to the foot [not quite the same, but both are popular in Gauge 1 circles.
Tower Models make a small range of Gauge 1 British outline, including the following locos -
GWR 14XX - £750
GWR 45XX - £850
L&Y Pug - £575
LB&SCR Terrier - £700
LMS/BR Black Five - £1400
GWR/BR Hall - £1700
A LOT of suitable coaches starting at around £475 each, but Accucraft make MkIIs for around £275 each.
If you are looking for economies in Gauge 1, then you'll be disappointed. They are ALL hand-built, in metal - usually stainless steel, nickel silver and brass.
Steve Goulding makes a 10mm scale Class 08 for £1250 and a BR Class 13 shunter [a double 08] for ££2250.
He also makes a very fine Class 47, ready-fitted with Foswork RC and a choice of liveries for £1950.
Sadly for the OP Gauge 1 is dominated by live-steam or battery r/c with DCC for effects. The world of track-powered DCC Gauge 1 is dominated by German and Austrian modelling by the likes of Maerklin, Kiss and KM1, as a glance at their incredible models on YT would show.
I suggest a look at the channel of Peter Pernsteiner on YT, to see what the Europeans are up to. At least THAT's free.
Tower Models make a small range of Gauge 1 British outline, including the following locos -
GWR 14XX - £750
GWR 45XX - £850
L&Y Pug - £575
LB&SCR Terrier - £700
LMS/BR Black Five - £1400
GWR/BR Hall - £1700
A LOT of suitable coaches starting at around £475 each, but Accucraft make MkIIs for around £275 each.
If you are looking for economies in Gauge 1, then you'll be disappointed. They are ALL hand-built, in metal - usually stainless steel, nickel silver and brass.
Steve Goulding makes a 10mm scale Class 08 for £1250 and a BR Class 13 shunter [a double 08] for ££2250.
He also makes a very fine Class 47, ready-fitted with Foswork RC and a choice of liveries for £1950.
Sadly for the OP Gauge 1 is dominated by live-steam or battery r/c with DCC for effects. The world of track-powered DCC Gauge 1 is dominated by German and Austrian modelling by the likes of Maerklin, Kiss and KM1, as a glance at their incredible models on YT would show.
I suggest a look at the channel of Peter Pernsteiner on YT, to see what the Europeans are up to. At least THAT's free.
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tac foley
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The plastic Mikados from LGB are an attempt to replicate standard gauge locos, and are in 1/27th scale - mostly. Parts of them are decidedly not. The Genesis and F7 are also 1/27th.
The White Pass Mikado, from Aster with LGB works, is in 1/22.5 and attempts to simulate a loco running on 3 foot gauge track, it misses out by around three inches, as 45mm in this scale replicates meter gauge Euro lines.
LGB's moguls are imaginary generic narrow gauge locos that would probably have run on 3 foot gauge track, if Colorado had ever had such small locos. The so-called Colorado 3-footers are huge, basically full-size light mikados but with outside frames. Bachmann and Accucraft made them back in the day - I have an Accucraft K27, the smallest of the family, and it's HUGE by comparison with an LGB mogul. Here it is double-heading with a green boilered Bachmann version -
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Fred2179G
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To backtrack a little - LGB does make models of US std gauge trains. There's a bunch of F-type diesels and recently some repainted Amtrak locos and stock. They are not expensive here. 1/27 is often quoted as the scale.
I can't think of an LGB steam loco model of a US prototype, std or ng. Maybe that horrible mikado painted for a US road?
As fas as asking LGB, surely that is the job of the country/territory distributor? If everyone could decide which loco they would probably buy, then tell the Distributor.
But I question the choice of Flying Scotsman or similar. Surely a small 16mm scale tank engine in 45mm gauge would be inexpensive to develop and inexpensive to buy?
I can't think of an LGB steam loco model of a US prototype, std or ng. Maybe that horrible mikado painted for a US road?
As fas as asking LGB, surely that is the job of the country/territory distributor? If everyone could decide which loco they would probably buy, then tell the Distributor.
But I question the choice of Flying Scotsman or similar. Surely a small 16mm scale tank engine in 45mm gauge would be inexpensive to develop and inexpensive to buy?
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I miss guided myself into a very deep rabbit hole thanks to Bachmann’s Emily which I just had to turn into something like a Stirling single. My thirty fourth build was as a result of buying a semi derelict Aristocraft 2-8-2 at this years Llangollen show! It now masquerades as a Riddles 2-8-2. Yes I know it’s narrow on the gauge front as are nearly all of my builds except the pair of RHDR locos but it’s fun building things!
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I just had a look at the Tower Brass site. There are some nice looking models there, although, as you said, only a very small range. They are a bit pricey - although they are brass, rather than plastic. They say they are 'ready to run', but they don't say how they are powered. I don't think they are live steam, but I doubt they are DCC chipped either - maybe for the RC market?
Clearly, as said in another response, this Gauge 1 seems to be dominated by live steam - which is, by its nature, very expensive. When I have some time, I plan to look into this in more depth. On first impressions though, it seems that track-powered gauge 1 is a market not currently well served - which is probably an understatement!
Still, maybe, some of these live steam/RC manufacturers would at least have the designs for a number of British Outline steam locos that they, or others, could use to manufacture cheaper track-powered locos, if there was enough interest in the market to convince them it might be worth their while. I doubt this would happen any time soon, but might it be worth pursuing?