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I have a LGB 2-4-0. 20232, 1218 Union Pacific which I have converted to battery with a 11.1 volt ESC & receiver, The circuit board burnt out, I have now had the board repaired I an now using a 8.4 volt battery but the loco runs very slow & can not get any smoke. Now can I use a 11.1 volt battery or will it burn out the circuit board again. The board runs the lot, motor, lights, sound & smoke. Can I have your input please, Thanks. Cookie.
 
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I had one of these a long time ago - they are designed to run on 18v - 20v so the only limit to the size of battery pack will be the maximum voltage that the ESC can take.

They're quite weighty locos, so I would tend to go for the biggest battery pack that you can - subject to the limits of the ESC.
 
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I was recently warned by Phil that Deltang are limited Voltage. Who’s make is your receiver?
 
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Hi I know that the receiver will take 11.1 volts I just worry that the circuit board will burnt out.
 
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A diagram, or photograph(s) of the parts being talked about, would help?

Choppercook (Mike, if I remember rightly?)..
Which board burnt-out? - We really need to know what you are trying to achieve / connect where? :nerd:

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Are Phil, It's Cookie, a A diagram of the circuit board from the service manual & a photo of the circuit board if that will help. Thanks Phil.
 

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Just a suggestion...…It normally helps to make the topic title relevant to the question/contents of the post?

Which Ian? Who is Ian? I have a cousin called Ian - should I ask him?
 
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Forget Ian I how have PhilP on it so all will be fine, I don't need Ian,Thanks.
 
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So would I be right in thinking you feed your 11.1V battery (3S Lithium?) into the Rx65c, and the motor outputs into the board you have photographed?

I will go-grab the LGB service sheets, but assume there is a soundcard either in the cab-roof, or tender?
 
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No, the 11.1 Lipo battery feed in to a 11.1 volt ESC & receiver then that powers the circuit board.
 
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Can you lay the bits out, as they would be connected, but do not connect the battery!
Just to give a visual idea of how things are going to be connected.. Can also see what components you have then. :)

(no hurry, I have a little to do in the garden, for an hour of so..) PhilP.
 
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OK, a photo of the loco striped out, 11.1 volt ESC & receiver, The yellow & blue wires feeds the into the motor block which feed into the circuit board, The red & black wires go to the battery. The circuit board controls the motor, lights, sound & smoke.
 

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Right:
(Some of these questions may seem to have obvious answers, but I can't see what you can)

The blue/yellow wires go to the motor block. - Do they connect to the track connections, or the motor connections?

I assume these connections are on the 4-way connector, on top of the motor block?

You are using the original 4-way lead up to the original board?

Have you removed the pickup skates and the carbon brushes, which get power from the track?


A picture of the top of the motor block would show the connections.
 
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I have you removed the pickup skates and the carbon brushes, which get power from track, the red & black wire comes from the battery to the ESC , The ESC then contacted to the pick ups of the motor block using the original 4-way lead up to the original circuit board which control the lot
 
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Hi Phil I have emailed Clark Electronics Ltd who repaired the board to ask if the board will take 11.1 volts, he got back to me with

"Not 100% sure but our engineer powered it with 10v at the rectifier.

>>Supplied 10v to rectifier, dc ok.Suspect short on X2 connector o/p caused fault.

Given the info above you should make sure whatever plugs to X2 connector is not faulty."
so from will the circuit board be OK with 11.1 volts
 
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The board should be fine with 11.1 volts.. - After all, it can be fed by (up to) 20-odd volts of track power.

Do you know the specifications of the ESC you are using? - Though I am pretty sure this will not be the problem.

I would NOT connect the lights, or smoke for a start.. Just try the motor.


Two observations:
The white wire to the smoke unit appears to pass under the board. - This isn't trapped at all, is it?
The X2 connections are one of the lighting circuits. - You could test this with around 6 volts of battery, to see if that light works?
Do NOT use your main loco battery for this! - Lithium batteries can supply many amps, and do much damage.

You DO have a fuse in circuit between the battery, and everything else??
 
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I do not have a fuse do you think I need one & if so what size.
 
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I do not have a fuse do you think I need one & if so what size.
ALWAYS! Fit a fuse.. - Especially with Lithium batteries..

One amp would probably be enough, but not more than a two amp rated fuse.


If your battery (in this case Lithium) says '20C' on it, it will quite happily supply 20x it's rated capacity.
So if you have a 2500mAh (that is 2.5 Amps for one hour, capacity) it will be capable of supplying 20 x 2.5 = 50 Amps into your pride and joy.
More than enough to release the magic-smoke. :(

Having a fuse might-well have saved you the cost of the repair.

PhilP.
 
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Not being an electronic expert in anyway whatsoever, not putting a fuse in the system seems a bit rash. The other thing, it may be just the camera angle, but from what I can see, the soldered joints of the black and white wires on the front of theboard appear to be a bit poor, the black one looks close to touching the heat sink, wold that be some of the cause of your problems?