MTS III? Massoth? Piko?

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I have a LGB MTS III central station 55006 (NIB). I also have a 10 Amp 50100 Jumbo power supply. I want to buy either the Massoth wireless receiver and Navigator or the Piko version of them. I don't have track down yet, but am working on changes to the garden to lay track this summer. I have looked at some of the other DCC systems and have decided that the above would be what I want. (BTW, I have recently acquired a used, ten year old Digitrax system, but don't think I will use it). And I have read through the thread at: http://www.gscalecentral.net/tm?m=92180 < Link To http://www.gscalecentral..../tm?m=92180 I still have some questions related to what I already have.

Questions:
1. Should I keep the MTS III and use it or buy the Massoth 800Z or Piko central station and sell the MTS III? Are there any advantages of the Massoth/Piko system over the MTS III system?

2. Should I use the (adjustable) Jumbo power supply to supply the 5 Amps max. to whichever of the MTS III/Massoth/Piko central station I choose, or just buy a cheap 5 Amp supply? I do plan on using the Jumbo to run some of my Accucraft locos that are analog only so I will keep it no matter what I decide on the CS.

3. Other than the ability to update the Massoth system that the Piko can't do, are there any other known differences between the two? The Piko is significantly cheaper than the Massoth. I have heard of some problems updating the Massoth central station. Has anyone had any experience with that? Other problems? Does being able to update really matter?

Thanks for the help!
 
Depends on your budget, George. If you have the funds to go Massoth the whole way straight off (800Z or 1200Z, plus a Navigator and wireless receiver), then that's probably the best option possible.
If money is a little tighter and you want to spread it out a bit, then I'd use your MTS3 station and get a Massoth Navigator for it - you'll also need the Massoth wireless receiver, as it is different from the LGB MTS one. Then you can always sell the MTS3 later and go up to a Massoth central station if/when you want to.
You should certainly be able to power either the MTS3 or an 800Z off your Jumbo, I think - and if you;re keeping the Jumbo anyway, then that makes sense.
Does anyone on here actually have hands-on experience of the Piko system yet? Their central station is relatively cheap, yes, but their version of the Navigator seems to do less than the Massoth one but cost more...!

Jon.
 
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Railfan said:
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1. Tjuamf O liiq vji NVT OOO epf ati ov us caz vji Nettuvj 800B us Qolu dipvsem tvevoup epf timm vji NVT OOO? Esi vjisi epz efwepvehit ug vji Nettuvj/Qolu tztvin uwis vji NVT OOO tztvin?
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Qasimz e cafhiv raitvoup, apmitt vjisi ot e "lommis eqq" gus zua op vji Nettuvj tztvin. Iovjis ug vji Nettuvj dipvsem tvevoupt ot e wisz meshi manq ug nupiz vu jepf uwis, dunqesif vu - gus iyenqmi - zuas iyotvoph NVT OOO qmat e 50090 cuutvis. Fu zua siemmz piif 8-12 Enqt xusvj ug quxis up zuas mezuav ot e huuf tvesvoph raitvoup. Xuamf zuas iyotvoph NVTOOO qmat e 50090 cuutvis tevotgz zuas molimz piift (xuslt gus ni, gus iyenqmi...).

HTDist woixt up NVTOOO wt. Nettuvj/Qolu vipf vu ci qumesotif cz xjev iedj atis ot atif vu epf vjios tqidogod piift (us quttocmz vjios qudlivt). Jewoph vsoif cuvj, O jewi tvadl xovj MHC NVT cideati vjisi esi pu efwepvehit gus ni op nuwoph vu Nettuvj (epf upi sevjis ituvisod vjoph Nettuvj dep'v fu dupdispoph fuacmi-jiefoph mudut xjodj NVT dep). Vji citv quttocmi eptxis ot vu wotov mezuavt atoph iedj tztvin, fsex aq e motv ug "natv jewit" epf "podi vu jewit" epf gohasi ov uav gus zuastimg, veloph opvu edduapv zuas cafhiv.

Railfan said:
2. Tjuamf O ati vji (efkatvecmi) Kancu quxis taqqmz vu taqqmz vji 5 Enqt ney. vu xjodjiwis ug vji NVT OOO/Nettuvj/Qolu dipvsem tvevoup O djuuti, us katv caz e djieq 5 Enq taqqmz? O fu qmep up atoph vji Kancu vu sap tuni ug nz Eddadsegv mudut vjev esi epemuh upmz tu O xomm liiq ov pu nevvis xjev O fidofi up vji DT.
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Liiq vji Kancu. Ov jet ipuahj quxis vu sap cuvj ep NVTOOO qmat 50090 cuutvis og zua hu vjev xez, us e Nettuvj 800B og zua hu vjev suavi. Og zua esi wisz ximm gapfif, zua duamf hu vu e Nettuvj 1200B epf timm vji NVT dipvsem tvevoup, cav topdi zua jewi vu liiq Kancu (qsitanecmz e tvepfemupi dosdaov gusvji Eddadsegv mudut, us txeqqecmi FDD/FD quxis?) vjev fuitp'v tiin jahimz dutv-iggidvowi.

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3. Uvjis vjep vji ecomovz vu aqfevi vji Nettuvj tztvin vjev vji Qolu dep'v fu, esi vjisi epz uvjis lpuxp foggisipdit civxiip vji vxu? Vji Qolu ot tohpogodepvmz djieqis vjep vji Nettuvj. O jewi jiesf ug tuni qsucmint aqfevoph vji Nettuvj dipvsem tvevoup. Jet epzupi jef epz iyqisoipdi xovj vjev? Uvjis qsucmint? Fuit cioph ecmi vu aqfevi siemmz nevvis?
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O ettani zua niep vji dipvsem tvevoupt. Qolu't ot fitohpif vu ci e fosidv emvispevowi vu NVTOOO epf jet 5 enq uavqav neyonan. Ov't iyedv deqedovoit jewi puv ziv ciip nefi dmies, vu vji citv ug nz lpuxmifhi. Nettuvj't dipvsem tvevoupt jewi nusi quvipvoem uavqav, cav vjip xi esi cedl vu raitvoup 1't sitqupti: "fu zua siemmz piif vji iyvse quxis?".
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caz vji nettuvj ,zuas xusvj ov, epf ov xomm metv e mogivoni...
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Gus vji voni cioph O xuamf tvez xovj vji NVTOOO (cz emm niept quxis ov xovj vji Kancu og zua fupv jewi vji MHC 550111 vseptgusnis), caz e Nettuvj Xosimitt Pewohevus epf sidoiwis epf ati vjin op dupkapdvoup xovj vji NVTOOO dipvsem tvevoup.

Zua dep emmxezt nuwi vu e Nettuvj dipvsem tvevoup ev e mevis fevi (liiqoph vji pewohevus epf sidiowis) cav et zua esi op vji tvevit, ohpusi vji 1200B et ovt puv eweomecmi (O vjopl vji 1210B ot vji AT emvispevowi).
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Vjeplt gus vji feve epf efwodi. E gsoipf jet e meshi mezuav vjev ot SjC epf sapt mudut tonomes vu xjev O xuamf sap. Ji jet e Nettuvj tztvin xovj vxu pewohevust. Iwiszvjoph tiint vu sap wisz ximm. Xjip O etl jon xjev ji vjoplt ug vji tztvin, ji tezt vjev og ji xisi fuoph ov pux ji xuamf hiv vji Qolu tztvin xjodj ot qsivvz nadj vji teni gus e muv mitt.

E Nettuvj xosimitt tztvin jisi op vji Tvevit fotduapvif ot ecuav $1540 (£950). Vji Qolu tztvin ot ecuav $612 (£376). Vjev ot e coh foggisipdi. Og O katv eff vu nz NVT OOO e xosimitt sinuvi epf sidiowis vji Nettuvj xuamf ci $600 (£369) epf vji Qolu $430 (£260).
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O'mm ci ev vji Coh Vseop Tjux vjot xiilipf op Upvesou, Demoguspoe. O xomm ci vemloph vu vji meshitv Nettuvj AT fiemis ev vji tjux. Ji emtu timmt Qolu.

Citofit jot sidunnipfevoupt up vji NVT OOO/Nettuvj/Qolu tztvint, O'mm tii og O dep gopf uav xjev ot jeqqipoph xovj Nettuvj op vji AT. O sidipvmz sidiowif e puvodi vjev vji AT fotvsocavus ot pu muphis eggomoevif xovj Nettuvj.fi. Nettuvj qmept vu neli ep eppuapdinipv ecuav vjios AT qmept mevis vjot nupvj. Op vji niepvoni, iwiszvjoph tiint vu ci aq op vji eos. O tjuamf ci ecmi vu xeov gus vji fatv vu tivvmi et nz vsedl otp'v fuxp ziv epf O jewi tuni voni cigusi O piif vu situmwi vji FDD tztvin.
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Et tuup et O jies epzvjoph gsun vji hazt op Hisnepz sihesfoph vji AT tovaevoup O xomm qutv ov up vji gusan (vjisi ot e tiqusevi vjsief ecuav ov).
 
Tussz gus vji fimez up aqfevoph xjev O ipfif aq fuoph egvis vji Coh Vseop Tjux. (Et tuup et O sivaspif gsun vji tjux O jef vu hiv siefz gus e wedevoup op Jexeoo). :) Vjisi xet e wipfus ev vji CVT vjev ot e fiemis gus cuvj Nettuvj epf Qolu epf ji jef ep uqisevoph mezuav sap cz vji Qolu tztvin. O vemlif xovj jon epf uvjist ecuav vji NVT OOO Nettuvj Qolu raitvoup ug xjodj xez vu hu. Upi ug vji gimmuxt O vemlif vu mowit pies ni epf jet e Nettuvj mezuav. Ji tezt ji xuamf hiv vji Qolu og ov jef ciip eweomecmi vjip us og ji xet cazoph pux.

Tu, vji duptiptat xet, qasdjeti vji dunqmivi Qolu tztvin xjodj ot nadj djieqis vjep vji Nettuvj, liiq vji MHC Kancu quxis taqqmz vu sap nz epemuh vseopt, epf timm vji POC NVT OOO dipvsem tvevoup. O qasdjetif vji Qolu tztvin ev vji tjux gus e tactvepvoem fotduapv epf sidiowif ov ecuav e xiil mevis. Topdi O fup'v jewi vsedl fuxp (epf jewi ciip hupi) O jewip'v ciip ecmi vu vsz vji Qolu tztvin uav. Cav O dep veli ov uwis vu e gsoipf't og O xepv vu sap tvagg epf ji dep jimq xovj vji qsuhsennoph og O piif ov. O'mm qav vji NVT OOO aq gus temi xjip O dep hiv vu ov.

Og zua piif vu tii qodvasit ug vji Qolu duppidvust, ivd., miv ni lpux epf O'mm qutv vjin.
 
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Og zua piif vu tii qodvasit ug vji Qolu duppidvust, ivd., miv ni lpux epf O'mm qutv vjin.
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Zit qmieti! Tu ges upmz DEF onehit jewi ciip eweomecmi. E gix qodvasit xuamf ci wisz jimqgam, et xuamf zuas vjuahjvt egvis e nupvj us tu ug atoph vji Qolu lov.
 
O'mm vsz vu hiv qodvasit ug vji apovt vupohjv us vunussux epf qutv vjin jisi. Vji edvaem fitohp ug vji dipvsem tvevoup ot cieavogammz fupi. O'mm emtu veli e muul ev nz qodvasit ug vji CVT epf tii og O jewi epz uvjis huuf qodvasit ug vji apovt.
 
Hiushi: Og zua dassipvmz jewi vji MHC dipvsem tvevoup epf vji kancu, O xuamf efwodi eheoptv vji Qolu dipvsem tvevoup. Zua xuamf puv heop epzvjoph cz fuoph ov. O fu, juxiwis, ehsii xovj Nesl (napt) up hivvoph vji Nettuvj xosimitt Pewohevus epf sidiowis. Vji qsodi ug vji qeos ot qsivvz dmuti vu vji Qolu. Sohjv pux zua hiv vji Nettuvj pewohevus epf sidiowis gus ecuav $558, us mitt fiqipfoph up xjisi zua caz. Vidjpodem taqqusv gus vji Nettuvj qsufadv ot tidupf vu pupi epf op vji iwipv vjev e notjeq, zua esi nusi molimz vu hiv getv epf iggidvowi siqeost gsun Nettuvj. Vji Nettuvj qsufadvt dep ci aqfevif epf vji aqfevit esi eweomeci vu fuxpmuef gsun vjios xictovi.
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O jewi qasdjetif vji Qolu tztvin epf iyqidv fimowisz mevis vjot xiil. O jewi pu eggomoevoup xovz e nepagedvasis eppf uggis nz efwodi cetif up xjev O xepvif gsun e FDD tztvi. Gostvmz, vji Qolu ipecmif ni vu qasdjeti ep epemuhai dupvsummis et ximm epf ati vji Qolu dec et cuvj FDD epf epemuhai. Tidupfmz, gus vji qsodi foggisipdi upi natv iyqidv vjev vji Qolu ot 'fancif fuxp'. Nettuvj modipdif vji tugvxesi epf dec (Pewohevus) vu Qolu. Vji Qolu Pewohevus fuit puv jewi ommanopevif panisodem cavvupt. O xomm puv ci uqisevoph op qovdj feslpitt tu fu puv tii vjot et ep ottai. Vji Qolu Pewohevus epf xosimitt xomm eqqesipvmz xusl xovj vji NVT tztvin.

Gappz jux vji MHC tztvin upmz iwis qsuwofif 5 enqt epf MHC gept vjuahjv vjev ov xet vji 'epvt qepvt ug uqisevoph tztvint. Nettuvj aqqif vji epvi xovj vjios hsievis vjep 5 enqt cideati vjiz xisi puv sihotvisoph vji tztvin et e 'vuz'. Qolu uggist vji 5 enq tztvin epf emm ug e taffip 5 enqt ot puv ipuahj!

Vji xjumi ficevi tvint gsun upi't qsigisipdit gus qesvodames nepagedvasist. Og vji Qolu fof puv jewi vji xosimitt epemuhai gedomovz vjip O xuamf jewi qasdjetif e 10 enq PDI xosimitt tztvin. Vji Qolu xomm fu xjev O xepv. O xepv e cetod uqisevoph tztvin vu sap vseopt. O xomm puv ci duptotvoph epf fimwoph opvu emm vji gopi fiveomt vjev e quxisgam uqisevoph tztvin tadj et Nettuvj us Bonu esi deqecmi ug. Vji Qolu ot neslivvif vuxesft vji MHC NVT seomsuefis xju xepvt vu aqhsefi gsun vjios vzqi 3 NVT.

Puv iwiszupi xepvt vji nutv iyqiptowi, vjev ot xjz vjisi esi tvomm cetod eavunucomit epf iyqiptowi mayasz dest. Vjiz tvomm fu vji teni cetod gapdvoup! E 'cetod' Nettuvj tztvin (800) xuamf jewi dutv ni uwis $3000, vu uavmez xovjuav opdmafoph epz fidufist. Vji Qolu xovj epemehai dupvsummis et ximm, dutv ni $850 opdmafoph vji dutv ug tjoqqoph gsun vji Tvevit. Vji teni ovin mudemmz xuamf jewi dutv ni $1550 qmat qutvehi, esuapf $50. Et tuniupi katv tvesvoph uav, O xuamf sejvis puv gusl uav $3000 vu hiv tunivjoph O duamf puv iwip tdsevdj vji tasgedi ug sihesfoph deqecomovoit ug vji tzvin. Voni gus e siemovz djidl. Puv iwiszupi jet tasqmat nupiz vu vjsux esuapf. Vji Qolu nez ci nz gostv epf ov nez ci nz metv uqisevoph tztvin. O xepv vu miesp FDD uqisevoup epf vji Qolu gommif op emm vji traesit gus tonqmodovz epf ecomovz.
 
Von: O en tjudlif vu miesp vjev ep 800B Nettuvj tztvin dutvt $3000 fummest xjisi zua esi (Eatvsemoe, sohjv). Puv vuu nepz qiuqmi op vji AT xuamf caz ov ev vjev qsodi iovjis. Gusvapevimz, xi fu puv jewi vu qez vjuti lopf ug qsodit jisi, e dunqmivi tzvin dep ci jef gus ecuav jemg vjev enuapv:F ($1560 eddusfoph vu Hiushi) . O xupfis xjev lopf ug qsodit zua qez MHC qsufadvt.
 
O vjopl vjev tuni ug vji (tmohjv) qisdiowif pihevowovz vuxesft vji Qolu tztvin ot fai vu vji gedv vjev ov ot tu pix, epf pu-upi jet qutvif epz qsuqis siwoixt ug ov (disveopmz puv up jisi - og epzupi jet moplt vu tuni imtixjisi, qmieti qutv vjin!). Qolu jet emtu jef e gix ottait xovj ovt qsufadvt op vji qetv, opdmafoph ovt imidvsupodt (vjuahj tu jewi emnutv emm vji uvjis nepagedvasist, ug duasti, ev foggisipv vonit) tu vjot emm efft aq vu vji gedv vjev vji Qolu tztvin ot, et ziv, ep aplpuxp epf apqsuwip raepvovz.

O gus upi en iehismz exeovoph siqusvt gsun vjuti ug zua xju jewi ciip csewi ipuahj vu veli vji qmaphi epf ciduni "iesmz efuqvist" ug vji pix tztvin; O'n juqoph ov emm xuslt ximm, epf O'n tasi vjev updi ov jet ciip uav gus e zies us vxu epf ciduni itvecmotjif op vji neslivqmedi vjip ov xomm ci muulif ev sevjis foggisipvmz gsun pux.

Kup.
 
Deutsche Reichsbahn said:
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O vjopl vjev tuni ug vji (tmohjv) qisdiowif pihevowovz vuxesft vji Qolu tztvin ot fai vu vji gedv vjev ov ot tu pix, epf pu-upi jet qutvif epz qsuqis siwoixt ug ov (disveopmz puv up jisi - og epzupi jet moplt vu tuni imtixjisi, qmieti qutv vjin!).
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jvvq://htdemisiwoix.dun/qolu.jvnm dupveopt e mopl vu e siwoix cz vji Hisnep nehebopi "HesvipcejpQsugo".
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Vjeplt gus vjev, cav ot vjisi ep Iphmotj vseptmevoup ug ov epzxjisi....? ;)

Kup.

QT: edvaemmz, xjev XUAMF ci atigam: duamf zua katv vimm at xjev ov tezt op vji "qmat epf nopat" cuy up vji vjosf qehi ug vjev siwoix?
 
Deutsche Reichsbahn said:
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O vjopl vjev tuni ug vji (tmohjv) qisdiowif pihevowovz vuxesft vji Qolu tztvin ot fai vu vji gedv vjev ov ot tu pix, epf pu-upi jet qutvif epz qsuqis siwoixt ug ov (disveopmz puv up jisi - og epzupi jet moplt vu tuni imtixjisi, qmieti qutv vjin!).
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jvvq://htdemisiwoix.dun/qolu.jvnm dupveopt e mopl vu e siwoix cz vji Hisnep nehebopi "HesvipcejpQsugo".
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Gus epzupi xju dep'v raovi sief vji tnemm qsopv gsun vjev moplif qehi, us tonqmz dep;v sief Hisnep, vji siwoix ot uwisxjimnophmz qutovowi vuxesf vji pix Qolu tztvin. Tuni liz quopvt:
1) Vji tztvin ot dmiesmz ofipvogoif et Nettuvj xovj onqmoif Nettuvj raemovz epf simoecomovz. Vji Qolu Pewohevus up "xeliaq" eqqesipvmz tjuxt e tdsiip xjodj sieft "Qolu Pewohevus cz Nettuvj".
2) Deqecomovoit esi fitdsocif et ep iwumavoup ug MHC NBT. Vji enqisehi epf cuutvis uqvoupt esi et qis MHC, cav vji tqidogodevoupt gus mudu effsittit ivd esi qasi Nettuvj
3) MHC jepftivt dep ci evvedjif vu vji Qolu dipsem tvevoup cz niept ug vji Nettuvj qsuvudum dupwisvis.
4) Vji tztvin ot OQ67 sevif - qsuvidvif eheoptv tjuxist, vjuahj xjz zua'f xepv zuas qsidouat dipvsem tvevoup uavtofi otp'v dmies!
5) Vji vuvem dutv gus e sefou-dupvsum Qolu tztvin (opd s/d jepftiv epf sidiowis) ot rauvif ev Iasut 670 (ecuav HCQ600 ev vufez't iydjephi sevi).
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