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I've looked everywhere. (Hartz coaches)

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Hal Farsed said:
Hello, I wonder if anyone can tell me who made these coaches and when? I have looked everywhere and it's beginning to drive me a bit potty! (Photo by seat61) Many thanks!

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Hm need coach number to be exact as there are quite a few different types. The current HSB (former DR) coaches were built by Herbrand, Hawa but I think most of the more modern looking ones by Wismar (works) of the DR and Gotha between WW1 and 2. Some of the others were former Sachen coaches built by Bautzen and Werdau again between the wars.
 
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dunnyrail said:
Hm need coach number to be exact as there are quite a few different types. The current HSB (former DR) coaches were built by Herbrand, Hawa but I think most of the more modern looking ones by Wismar (works) of the DR and Gotha between WW1 and 2. Some of the others were former Sachen coaches built by Bautzen and Werdau again between the wars.
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Showing my Hartz ignorance here dunnyrail, thanks for the info., I thought these vehicles were all one type! Sheesh.
 
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Paul M said:
Theres a prototype for everything, and of course Rule 8!
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Or as I prefer - Rule 8 , but often theres a prototype for everything!
 
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Hal Farsed said:
The prototypes Gizzy. I have a couple of LGB ones and I'm looking for a way of excusing them on my 1950s train set, set in Staffordshire.
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As mentioned here, the WLLR has some similar vehicles, some from Austria and others from Sierra Leone....
 
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Hal Farsed said:
Showing my Hartz ignorance here dunnyrail, thanks for the info., I thought these vehicles were all one type! Sheesh.
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No worries you don't know what you don't know! In truth it is quite tricky to id coaches at first sight, lengths are different the number of Windows and location of loo’s can be a bit of a clue as can be lengths but this is tricky with number of windows here being the best clue. They have been rebuilt many times over the years to give mostly a similar outwards and inside look.
 
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dunnyrail said:
No worries you don't know what you don't know! In truth it is quite tricky to id coaches at first sight, lengths are different the number of Windows and location of loo’s can be a bit of a clue as can be lengths but this is tricky with number of windows here being the best clue. They have been rebuilt many times over the years to give mostly a similar outwards and inside look.
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If you require more details I can recommend Die Harzer Schmalspurbahnen by Gerard Zieglgansberger & Hans Roper. It’s in German but it has lots of drawings, maps photos & tables. One table lists all coaches, where built & when, weights etc. My copy was printed in 1999.
 
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dutchelm said:
If you require more details I can recommend Die Harzer Schmalspurbahnen by Gerard Zieglgansberger & Hans Roper. It’s in German but it has lots of drawings, maps photos & tables. One table lists all coaches, where built & when, weights etc. My copy was printed in 1999.
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I have that book, a lot of the gen comes from an original printed in the DDR in 1980 with as expected poor quality paper and pics, I also have that book picking it up at a Garden Railway show at Van Hagens Garden Centre near Ware many moons ago.

I get most of my drawings and gen from the Schweers and Wall book on the Harzer Schmalspurbahnen book, invaluable asset for research.
 
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