Approval Granted - Planning Begins

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Nikki (my fiancee) and I currently live in Berlin and it has always been our intention to return (me) / move (Nikki) to the UK. Well, given covid, we decided to expedite that plan to happen in the next 6months (we both have 3month work notice periods). Enough with the back story, now on the garden railway topic.

Nikki is a big supporter of the garden railway interest (supporter more than active engager) so as part of the move we agreed to invest here in the track for our future garden railway and ship it over as part of the move. This means planning can begin.

I've been able to get some rough measurements along with photos of where we will be moving.

I did an initial track plan using rail modeller which after I finished realised may be quite intense (however, wasn't veto'ed by Nikki). Not married to this but wanted a starting point

A few notes:

The garden:
  • Seat pod in the top right for Nikki to sit and read
  • In the middle of the orange loop will be grass
  • Outline of outdoor chair and tables on a patio area
  • Layout will be raised 30-60cm / 1-2ft in raised flowerbeds
The layout
  • One flat continuous loop (orange)
  • One climbing continuous loop (blue). The area on the left is raised with the right would be at the same level as the orange loop.
  • One terminal station
  • Run a track directly into the garage / workshop
  • All points are LGB / Train-Li R3 aside from the indoor storage tracks
  • Most of the curves are LGB R3. I snuck Piko R3 (sit just outside LGB R2) in one place.
General thoughts
  • Layout will be digital
  • I'll probably keep to shorter trains (AT, DE, CH narrow gauge).
  • Most of the passing tracks can contain x3 LGB HSB passenger wagons + loco.
Given the collective wisdom and learnings of the folks on this forum - I'd really appreciate your input.


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Nikki (my fiancee) and I currently live in Berlin and it has always been our intention to return (me) / move (Nikki) to the UK. Well, given covid, we decided to expedite that plan to happen in the next 6months (we both have 3month work notice periods). Enough with the back story, now on the garden railway topic.

Nikki is a big supporter of the garden railway interest (supporter more than active engager) so as part of the move we agreed to invest here in the track for our future garden railway and ship it over as part of the move. This means planning can begin.

I've been able to get some rough measurements along with photos of where we will be moving.

I did an initial track plan using rail modeller which after I finished realised may be quite intense (however, wasn't veto'ed by Nikki). Not married to this but wanted a starting point

A few notes:

The garden:
  • Seat pod in the top right for Nikki to sit and read
  • In the middle of the orange loop will be grass
  • Outline of outdoor chair and tables on a patio area
  • Layout will be raised 30-60cm / 1-2ft in raised flowerbeds
The layout
  • One flat continuous loop (orange)
  • One climbing continuous loop (blue). The area on the left is raised with the right would be at the same level as the orange loop.
  • One terminal station
  • Run a track directly into the garage / workshop
  • All points are LGB / Train-Li R3 aside from the indoor storage tracks
  • Most of the curves are LGB R3. I snuck Piko R3 (sit just outside LGB R2) in one place.
General thoughts
  • Layout will be digital
  • I'll probably keep to shorter trains (AT, DE, CH narrow gauge).
  • Most of the passing tracks can contain x3 LGB HSB passenger wagons + loco.
Given the collective wisdom and learnings of the folks on this forum - I'd really appreciate your input.


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Well you have got lots of things right not least an access indoors for stock storage.

But the decking, be worthwhile to allow for access traps that can be lifted off for cleaning rails and possible sorting if a derailment occurs, not your track-laying of course but all sorts of carp can get under decking to cause issues. Or am I wrong and it is just a raised area with trains running beneath the chair?

Not quite sure what you are aiming to achieve with the green terminus. Is that an LGB slip at the entry? Rad is R1, though some of the earlier ones I think may have had r2? As for the bottom pink circle, I would have an extension with another point to the left loop with siding and then 2 points for run round. That would be fairly typical European layout.
 

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Presumably the different colours are different stages? It's always best to start small and expand, rather than trying to do everything at once. It will also mean you can try out you track laying methods
 

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Well you have got lots of things right not least an access indoors for stock storage.
When I suggested a hole in the wall to Nikki, I expected pushback but instead she thought it was a great idea because there was less time setting up. She gets it.

But the decking, be worthwhile to allow for access traps that can be lifted off for cleaning rails and possible sorting if a derailment occurs, not your track-laying of course but all sorts of carp can get under decking to cause issues. Or am I wrong and it is just a raised area with trains running beneath the chair?
In agreement. I'm not yet sure how we're doing that decking/raised area - probably work out those details when we are there but tunnel access is critical.
And to be fair, it has been 20 years since I had a railway outdoors (cobuilt with my Grandad) so there is a fair chance of track laying issues so there will be a lot to (re)learn

Not quite sure what you are aiming to achieve with the green terminus. Is that an LGB slip at the entry? Rad is R1, though some of the earlier ones I think may have had r2?
This was partly inspired by how ge_rik ge_rik has where to run trains to for operational interest and given that's where the track leading from the garage is I felt it made sense to make use of it.

Good catch, yes, it is. This mockup has been in the works for a few weeks. Recently, there was a thread discussing them and there was a less than lukewarm response so thinking about removing that. As a kid I always wanted a double-slip (purely, I admit) because they seemed to look cool) but given that will be a critical point I'd rather have reliability

As for the bottom pink circle, I would have an extension with another point to the left loop with siding and then 2 points for run round. That would be fairly typical European layout.
Not sure I follow here. The circle at the bottom left would be a Heyns turntable (wasn't in the software but created a representation of it). Are you suggestion to add points for a runaround before the turntable?


Looks good to me, where about in the uk are you moving to?

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If all goes to plan, it'll actually be Jersey (Channel Islands)

Presumably the different colours are different stages? It's always best to start small and expand, rather than trying to do everything at once. It will also mean you can try out you track laying methods
They were more to indicator to myself the different areas (two loops and a terminus). I agree on splitting it to stages but Nikki tends to like things done. (She asked if we could finish it in a couple of weeks which I set expectations around the usual pace of British infrastructure projects). I was thinking of laying the basic infrastructure for the blue loop (tunnels, retaining walls etc) but leaving this as flower bed until we evaluate the success of the orange loop. Similarly with the green terminus could start as a basic run around.
 

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Green Station.
Ah now understand the Turntable, yes they can be a bit of an issue outside requiring quite a bit of cleaning up and possible power problems. But would make a great addition if you can overcome those issues. As for the slip, if you are weeded to one GRS gave done them with a tame scratch builder, not cheep but neither is the LGB one. Perhaps you could start this area if it is in the early stages with just a little less using points to see how you get on with it. Can always be expanded later. Just make sure you allow enough area for the trackbed.
 

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Ah now understand the Turntable, yes they can be a bit of an issue outside requiring quite a bit of cleaning up and possible power problems. But would make a great addition if you can overcome those issues. As for the slip, if you are weeded to one GRS gave done them with a tame scratch builder, not cheep but neither is the LGB one. Perhaps you could start this area if it is in the early stages with just a little less using points to see how you get on with it. Can always be expanded later. Just make sure you allow enough area for the trackbed.

I did a little reading on these as I was worried about the same. Heyns seems to suggest keeping them covered so I'm sure my grandfather and I could fix something together. They also provide some MD electronics (my DCC provider) equipment to simplify control / power routing which puts me at ease. It's one of those things where I accept there is going to be more complexity with it but love the idea so willing to give it more slack (note: probably should challenge me on this post in 2-3 years and see if my position is the same )

I'll checkout GRS for the slip. Not completely wedded to it but it does save some space. Unlike the turntable, give it is at a critical junction I'd err on reliability over style. One thing I'm trying my best to do is not purely indulge the 9year that spent hours flicking through the LGB catalogues and Die Welt Der LGB (some indulgence is allowed, however)

I think your suggesting is good. Probably worth starting easy and working up (also gives ongoing projects) which is honestly the bits I tend to enjoy more.
 

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dunnyrail dunnyrail , I actually would love your perspective on something.

I know on the DunnyBahn you have a loop back and above itself (screenshot below. I'm wondering, what your climb and curvature is here and what your clearance is? I found in an old LGB book they show 232mm from based of the sleeper to the max of overhead cable (for electric lines - mine won't be).

I was considering in a different plan an R3 helix but when I mocked it up it seemed to be around a 4.9% climb (0 - 30cm climb) which from all my reading on this forum is a bit risky as a gradient on a curve. I assumed 30cm to count for the the bridge between the upper rail and clearance on the bottom. I know it depends on the locos, length of trains but would appreciate your reflections.

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dunnyrail dunnyrail , I actually would love your perspective on something.

I know on the DunnyBahn you have a loop back and above itself (screenshot below. I'm wondering, what your climb and curvature is here and what your clearance is? I found in an old LGB book they show 232mm from based of the sleeper to the max of overhead cable (for electric lines - mine won't be).

I was considering in a different plan an R3 helix but when I mocked it up it seemed to be around a 4.9% climb (0 - 30cm climb) which from all my reading on this forum is a bit risky as a gradient on a curve. I assumed 30cm to count for the the bridge between the upper rail and clearance on the bottom. I know it depends on the locos, length of trains but would appreciate your reflections.

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Ok so I have used Aristocraft 4ft Rad Curves which I believe are the same as LGB R3, indeed that is what I have used on other parts of the line where I have tried to keep to a 4ft minimum (failed in some areas).

The drawing below shows one of my loops that gets me to 9 inches clearance to a TrainLine 45 Bridge, as this is solid metal there is nothing below it. The other loop requires more space as the station is made from decking with supports so needed more of a run for the higher clearance.

Thus below a-b is a 1/4 circle using R3 curves. b-c is a viaduct 3ft, c-d is a R3 1/2 circle, d-e is straight around 2ft, e-f again mostly r3 but with some slightly less to get to the peco point from f-g is a peco point and 2xYards to get to the 9” difference for the bridge. Gradient started at 1:40 but a misbuild gave a short stretch of 1:35 between e-f that really stretches the puffers.
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I have a Hyen Turntable which I have struggled to set up, as my German isn't very good.

I keep mine indoors when not running.

As for the LGB Double Slip, I found mine caused derailments, so I replaced it with a diamond.

I hope to see your layout running once you get to the UK....