An alternative bonkers Rugens kit bash idea...

[jameshilton]

A cheap enough Rugens is pretty much sorted I hope

 

[3Valve]

The tank loco definitely mate

 

[jameshilton]

I didn't know whether to post this on here - or my Px48 thread. Since this one is newer and has the conversation about choice this seems like a good place.

I've mocked up in Photoshop the Px48 option.
This is a LOT more involved, and potentially risky. Assuming I can remove the well tank, I might end up with some of the motion un-supported. I then need to fabricate a high running plate, 100% new cab and new tender.

Looks promising too though doesn't it!

Prototype (Romanian example of the Px48 with the small tender)

 

[garrymartin]

Your PX48 mock up looks great James, but I would definately go with the tank engine option. It would suit your branch line better I feel.

 

[jameshilton]

Thanks Garry...

Sorry for reposting the images but I thought it would be useful to put them both in the same post on the same page of the thread...

 

[JonathanJ]

Your PX48 mock up looks great James, but I would definately go with the tank engine option. It would suit your branch line better I feel.

Have to admit I beg to differ, the PX48 looks more like its prototype than the tank, and it looks much more different from the your Frank S 0-6-0T bash than the Rugen-with-sidetanks would. I think the rugen wheels are a bit big visually for the 0-10-0T (as well as being difficient in numbers), and so it doesn't really capture the character of that loco (with all the little wheels squashed together underneath it) so well as the Px48/9.

Of course, as you mention, it's an expensive loco you're looking at cutting, and some of the things needed by the Px48 might not be doable without major re-engineering.

J.

 

[Spule 4]

Hmm, a chunky 0-8-0....

Have you given thought to the late 1930s Henschel built Kreis Jerichow I locos 20 and 21? They are both nice large chunky 750mm gauge 2-8-0s becoming 99.480x class after WWII. They have a bit larger drivers also.

http://www.78er.de/BAUREIHE/BR99/99_4801/99_4801.html

http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/read.php?17,4423945

One advantage was as built, they had welded tanks and cabs, but appear to have gained riveted ones later in life.

Did they run in Austria...no. Are they a good looking loco? Yes in my book!

 

[jameshilton]

Thanks Garrett - another interesting idea. I think they'd be a touch too long as a tank engine for my line, but thanks for sharing them. Not a prototype I'd seen before.

Jonathan - a very good point - the Px48 definitely captures the character better.

 

[New Haven Neil 2]

Being an anti-rivet counter in this 'scale'..........I agree the Px48 captures the character of the prototype better, it's just that I think it's as ugly as a box of frogs. The tank is more balanced in appearance and an altogether nicer looking loco, even though it is sadly deficient in the driving wheel department!

IMHO of course - your mileage may differ.

 

[PaulRhB]

Either James, I still say go with the flow and how you feel once you've seen it for real. Both look right to me, the ex tender will be revealed soon as work has started on the railcar

 

[brianthesnail96]

Tank engine.

The Px48 isn't that far off the prototype- it's not a bad representation, but to me it's close enough to be obvious what it's trying to be, without being close enough to be right, so it looks wrong. I think that makes sense...

The tank engine is clearly not the 0-10-0, nor is it pretending to be. Instead, it looks like a little sister to it- there is a definite family thing going on, it's a very viable "might have been", and so to my eyes at least it looks right. I think it fits better with the rest of you fleet as well.

And as NHN says, it's also a hell of a lot nicer to look at...

 

[3Valve]

Still the Tank for me bud. The Rugens is an ugly brute but that tank conversion makes it look kinda pretty. The PX48 bash still looks a bit of a bruiser.

 

[jameshilton]

Whilst digging around to see if the builders of the Rugens tank did any other narrow gauge engines that shared components, and for inspiration I found this...

Looks like AG Vulcan Stettin built a couple of the Rugen tanks for the Polish national railways (PKP) but at metre gauge...
http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=20734 < Link To http://www.steamlocomotiv...tive.cfm?Display=20734
http://www.steamlocomotive.info/onephoto.cfm?display=20734 < Link To http://www.steamlocomotiv...hoto.cfm?display=20734

 

[persistent_bodger]

Fantastic project James. I think you should definitely build the tender version, although a little large for the present layout, you just don't know when an extension maybe built! Look forward to seeing this progress

Best
Tim

 

[Lobethalbahn2]

James, I really liked your original Frank S conversion with its combination of freelance design and prototypical plausibility. That's why I think the tank project trumps the Px48/9. It also creates a bit of a 'house style' that gives the impression of both locos having come from the same railway. Further, I think the Rugen chassis with its bigger drivers looks better than the Saxon prototype. The real locos always look disproportionate with all those little drivers under a massive boiler and side tanks!

 

[Spule 4]

Yes, with the odd well tanks.

There were a few different locos, not built for PKP per se, but ended up when parts of Prussia, East Prussia and Silesia became parts or entire other countries after WWII.

http://www.78er.de/BAUREIHE/BR99/Regenwalde/regenwalde.html

 

[Spule 4]

Hmm, a meter gauge 0-8-0 that is chunky...

There were two chunky interwar Borsig built locos for the GMWE (meter gauge) 0-8-0Ts-
http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/read.php?17,3806914

http://www.mumsdorf-online.de/gmwe.htm

An LGB Dickie-2076D enlarged!!

Unfortunately, the line was ruined by floods in the late 1960s and the locos were cut up by 1970s...

Looking at the closeups, one can see the modifications of walkways and all kinds of other junk hanging off of them....

 

[New Haven Neil 2]

Interesting links, thanks for posting them!

 

[Rhinochugger]

phascinating fotos

 

[Spule 4]

I have a book on the GMWE, it really was an interesting railway.