6 wheel motor block for a 0-6-0 Steam engine

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Can anybody recommend a 6 wheel motor block for a steam engine use , Looking at 3D printing my own British looking engines, so need a block to suit an 0-6-0 type loco, before I start printing the body, then I now it will fit. It needs to be suitable to run on 24v DCC which is what my setup is. Looking for a cost effective solution as I would like to make more than one so need a repeatable source for the block. cost effective, not cheap as chips as it needs to be reliable :)
 
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I used a LGB spreewald one for my Mason Bogie, and now fixing to build a 2-6-2 saddle tanker using a mallet 2085 motor block, and used a mogul one to build my prairie 2-6-2 out of a shortened big hauler
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Thanks Rik I have been looking at them and I have a BR80 the only thing that was putting me off their blocks was the horrible way that fasten the running gear to the wheels...but having just looked through your build I see you bolted yours to the wheels :) so probably worth looking at those . I see the latest blocks have better tires on them and also better bearings inside it says compared to the old BR80 I have
 
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GRS do a rather nice 0-6-0 chassis with flywheel motor. Not cheap, but then scratchbuilding is not always a cheap way to go :nerd:

They now, rather helpfully do not give a picture, and it seems that they have dropped the kit with outside cylinders :confused::confused:


So that's another idea down the pan :(:(
 
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I would look at good quality LGB 6 wheel chassis, have just batteried up an old 2080s dating from the 80’s and it still runs as sweet as a nut. Early Corpets, U2’s as well should work For you.
 
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The Only UK source so far that I have found is for the Piko blocks, not found a source for the LGB 6 wheel chassis so far, without searching for a second hand engine on evilbay. there doesn't seem to be as many stocking parts in the UK as there used to be. Second hand 0-6-0 LGB's tend to make good money, the Bachmann complete 2-6-0 Locos seem to go for around £150 second hand, so I suppose that could be another possibility but no idea how you tell the age to determine if it's the ones with the full metal gears inside the box or not.
 
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The Only UK source so far that I have found is for the Piko blocks, not found a source for the LGB 6 wheel chassis so far, without searching for a second hand engine on evilbay. there doesn't seem to be as many stocking parts in the UK as there used to be.
No, but if you want stockings, I'm told there are one or two high street outlets :mask: :mask:
 
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The Only UK source so far that I have found is for the Piko blocks, not found a source for the LGB 6 wheel chassis so far, without searching for a second hand engine on evilbay. there doesn't seem to be as many stocking parts in the UK as there used to be.
LGB being bomb-proof, there is less call for a complete chassis.. - Motor's are stocked, as are internal gears..

You could try Chalk Garden Rail, or Garden Railway Specialists? - They may have soemthing 'in stock'.

Or, if you know what you want, you could ask Mark (Muns, Garden Rail Outlet), as he order's from Germany, if he could add to one of his orders, perhaps??
 
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there doesn't seem to be as many stocking parts in the UK as there used to be
The old LGB company recognised that there was a strong interest in creating bespoke models using LGB parts, so would supply pretty much whatever you wanted (at a price!). Any residual stocks are mostly now with Modell-land and Warenburg in Germany. Since the latest takeover, Marklin's attitude has been very different, in that they will only supply parts that wear out (even via their UK Service Agent).

Looking at 3D printing my own British looking engines
I used a second-hand LGB Spreewald chassis as the basis for a freelance British-outline loco, that the other David has featured several times on his "Pic of the day" . . .

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I question whether it makes sense to 3D-print an entire loco body (though maybe, for you, it's as much about "meeting a challenge" as doing it the simplest way). Most of the parts are either flat or tubes. Mine is made from 2mm Plastikard (and a suitable plastic bottle for the boiler). The detailing is achieved using 'whitemetal' castings from GRS and it would make sense for you to 3D-print your own versions of these.

Just my opinion. Have fun whichever way you decide to proceed.

Best wishes

David
 
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GRS do a rather nice 0-6-0 chassis with flywheel motor. Not cheap, but then scratchbuilding is not always a cheap way to go :nerd:

They now, rather helpfully do not give a picture, and it seems that they have dropped the kit with outside cylinders :confused::confused:


So that's another idea down the pan :(:(
I found a picture of the outside cylindered chassis. Presumably, the inside cylinder version is the same but without the cylinders.... :wasntme:
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Tis a work of beauty.....

Rik
 
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I found a picture of the outside cylindered chassis. Presumably, the inside cylinder version is the same but without the cylinders.... :wasntme:
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Tis a work of beauty.....

Rik
Yes, but they don't seem to be listing it on the website, unless you found it where I couldn't :wasntme::wasntme:
 
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The old LGB company recognised that there was a strong interest in creating bespoke models using LGB parts, so would supply pretty much whatever you wanted (at a price!). Any residual stocks are mostly now with Modell-land and Warenburg in Germany. Since the latest takeover, Marklin's attitude has been very different, in that they will only supply parts that wear out (even via their UK Service Agent).



I used a second-hand LGB Spreewald chassis as the basis for a freelance British-outline loco, that the other David has featured several times on his "Pic of the day" . . .


I question whether it makes sense to 3D-print an entire loco body (though maybe, for you, it's as much about "meeting a challenge" as doing it the simplest way). Most of the parts are either flat or tubes. Mine is made from 2mm Plastikard (and a suitable plastic bottle for the boiler). The detailing is achieved using 'whitemetal' castings from GRS and it would make sense for you to 3D-print your own versions of these.

Just my opinion. Have fun whichever way you decide to proceed.

Best wishes

David

The reason for Printing really is , I own a Filament printer and a resin printer and a engraving machine now as well , I have made crossing gates . signals, I print all the windows, doors, chimney pots, roof rafters, tiles etc. etc. for my buildings now along with the signs, post boxes, milk churns etc and people that you find on platforms . and what ever else I can think of :)

So it seemed logical to me to start and make my own Rolling stock I did like the accucraft W&L Rolling stock but they have stopped making a lot of them now, so I have already started making my own Accucraft looking ones with LGB type wheel mountings and couplings.

So the next logical step is to make my own Locos to pull them, true maybe not the easiest way to make and print everything, and I will use materials other than just printed / resin parts, but I have the printers , the software and I am a 3D designer by trade, so I just like the challenge and the fun of making / modeling things the way I want them to look :)

I keep looking at secondhand LGB locos but they are holding their prices recently, plus if I buy a good one I'll not want to bash it, been there done that with a couple of LGB locos I have, including a spreewald :)
 
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The reason for Printing really is , I own a Filament printer and a resin printer and a engraving machine now as well , I have made crossing gates . signals, I print all the windows, doors, chimney pots, roof rafters, tiles etc. etc. for my buildings now along with the signs, post boxes, milk churns etc and people that you find on platforms . and what ever else I can think of :)

So it seemed logical to me to start and make my own Rolling stock I did like the accucraft W&L Rolling stock but they have stopped making a lot of them now, so I have already started making my own Accucraft looking ones with LGB type wheel mountings and couplings.

So the next logical step is to make my own Locos to pull them, true maybe not the easiest way to make and print everything, and I will use materials other than just printed / resin parts, but I have the printers , the software and I am a 3D designer by trade, so I just like the challenge and the fun of making / modeling things the way I want them to look :)

I keep looking at secondhand LGB locos but they are holding their prices recently, plus if I buy a good one I'll not want to bash it, been there done that with a couple of LGB locos I have, including a spreewald :)
So when you've got a spare five minutes ....................... :p:p
 
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Yes, but they don't seem to be listing it on the website, unless you found it where I couldn't :wasntme::wasntme:
No, I found an old price list .pdf file online which lists outside and inside cylinder versions together but only shows a photo of the outside cylinder version
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How about making your own? I've printed a clamshell, LGB type block to fit Piko wheels. It doesn't make it cheaper unfortunately but I was after something quite specific. Made things more difficult for myself trying to find a worm gear to fit a motor to then match Piko's gearing.

Slaters do good wheels on 'normal' sized axels that would be a lot easier to match gears and bearings to.
 
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How about making your own? I've printed a clamshell, LGB type block to fit Piko wheels. It doesn't make it cheaper unfortunately but I was after something quite specific. Made things more difficult for myself trying to find a worm gear to fit a motor to then match Piko's gearing.

Slaters do good wheels on 'normal' sized axels that would be a lot easier to match gears and bearings to.
Ricky, you've nailed the scratch builder's problem in this gauge - namely finding gears, wheels and axles all of a common size.

T'aint easy, and my efforts have often failed, to the point where I have had to resort to manufactured gearboxes. I have an ABC gearbox on Slaters' wheels and axles in one loco, and an MSC gearbox on 1/4" axles with a slighly bodged wheel arrangement on another.

Single reduction drives, of which there are a few readily available, are OK until you want to haul heavy loads, then you need to go to 2-stage gearboxes which, for the devout bodger like me, means coughing up and buying one.
 
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Could you use a two-axle motor-block, with a third axle in a carrier, with scratch-built motion? :nerd:
 
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Pictures of the above described 'box:

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Could you use a two-axle motor-block, with a third axle in a carrier, with scratch-built motion? :nerd:
Yes, but you then are limited to the availability of double ended motors, and the length of the shaft.

There are suitable motors available, but you're heading into engineering territory. The gearbox makers will often help - I've found ABC quite accommodating - but there'll be a cost.

The advantage of the GRS chassis was that it comes with a flywheel motor and 2-stage gearbox.

Probably worth going with their current, basic offering and making some cylinders and con rods - changing the centre crank wouldn't be too hard as they use Slaters' wheels.