Wye for a shunting hole

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Looking to make life a bit easier for building up/down trains/consists with a hole for a shunter accessible from both of two running tracks:
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Easy to do with Aristo #6s but I don't have the room/budget so am looking for a compact solution for a small shunter only e.g. LGB U-Class.

I do have spare Aristo WRs = 10ft diameter LH and RH but what about the Wye? So far I have found:

TrainLi/Thiel 27-1870 Y-Weiche, Messing, 20°, R 200 cm at 165,00 €
Bertran Heyn's Y-Weiche R3, 2 x 15° Länge ca. 320 mm at 79,00 €.

We have installed track/points from both these suppliers successfully already.

Two Qs please:
1. Are there any alternatives?

2. Assuming I end up having to tweak the track alignment (e.g. the diverging curve of the Aristo WRs) which of these two would you rather work from?
 

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Garden Railway Specialists ? Do both 4ft and 6 ft radius - £115/£130. I have one installed on my line. Max

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Garden Railway Specialists ? Do both 4ft and 6 ft radius - £115/£130. I have one installed on my line. Max

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Greg

My understanding and experience is that Aristo WR diverging curve is identical to Aristo 10ft diameter curve, not 9ft.

Thank you Max

I was sure that I had missed someone and you're right its GRS. Just a pity its not 5ft radius! Is yours a 4ft or 6ft radius?

It may still be closest.


Mike
 
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Well Max, even though it is advertised as a 10 foot diameter, it comes very close to 9... just pointing out there's a little "flexibility" in the design of your track.

I have seen the WR integrated into an 8 foot diameter curve, and it looks "smooth" to the eye. Basically the diverging section is so short, it's hard to tell.

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6 ft, as are my other, more conventional GRS points. GRS stuff is wood sleepered, rail is LGB code 332. Integrates fine with LGB R5 points. Max
 
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I have something similar in my yard but using LGB 3 way points (R1)....

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TLR

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As GRS make their track using wooden sleepers / flatbottomed rail chaired or spiked, why don't you make it yourself? then it can be the correct radius. All components are easily available.

Shaun
 
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As GRS make their track using wooden sleepers / flatbottomed rail chaired or spiked, why don't you make it yourself? then it can be the correct radius. All components are easily available.

Shaun
Thanks everybody that's helped a lot to clarify what I can do. With a bit of wiggling I can probably squeeze it into 300mm centres on the running tracks.

Interesting idea Shaun and its growing on me particularly as I can recycle some of the parts from spare Aristo 10ft WRs.

But my understanding of point/switch geometry does not allow me to look for an appropriate size frog - any suggestions please? The Aristo 10ft WRs are r=1500 and I'd need a frog that allows two diverging curves of that radius.
 
TLR

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Clacton on sea Essex
Thanks everybody that's helped a lot to clarify what I can do. With a bit of wiggling I can probably squeeze it into 300mm centres on the running tracks.

Interesting idea Shaun and its growing on me particularly as I can recycle some of the parts from spare Aristo 10ft WRs.

But my understanding of point/switch geometry does not allow me to look for an appropriate size frog - any suggestions please? The Aristo 10ft WRs are r=1500 and I'd need a frog that allows two diverging curves of that radius.
Using the two running rails you can file then solder to create the frog geometry it works. I have made at least 6 turnouts and a double slip using wooden sleepers flat bottomed rail and flat headed pins ie rail spiked to the sleeper, a crossing was also made with two lengths of peco flexi track using the plastic sleeper and chair, with a little practice it's possible to create almost anything.
Have fun

Shaun