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RMurphy195

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This is, I know, a daft question, but

Just about to try firing up my shiny new Brunel, my first "excursion" into steam.

So dug out one of my CP250 campinggaz cylinders and - no thread, so the adaptor won't fit.

Now what I should do is trot along to my local camping and outdoor shop, adaptor in hand, look at thier cylinders and buy one - easy peasy

BUT - we are in voluntary lockdown (UK England) and all these shops are shut, pretty well. Except Halfords.

Now because of the CV19 situation I'm reluctant to simply wander over there and see what they've got, 'cos ike everyone else I'm limiting as far as possible my outings, especially outings into stores.

However, if I knew what canisters did have the correct fitting, I could check store stock before travelling, then pop in when I'm out shopping anyway! What I want to avoid of course is a wasted journey/store visit at this difficult time.

Likely candidates seem to be (as listed on Halfords web site)

Campingaz CV470

Campingaz CV300

Coleman C300

Coleman C500

Advice anyone? - Thanks - Richard, Birmingham UK

PS - or alternatively an adaptor + hose that I can use on my redundant Campingaz 907 cylinder - thanks
 
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maxi-model

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Any EN 417 type threaded canister. Butane, not butane propane mix. Go Sytem is a popular brand but pricey. As mentioned there are adaptors for the more common camping stove types. I got one of those from Chuffed2bits a few years back. If ordering C&C from Halfords check store is open. Max
 
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The Halfords website seems to be playing up but you need the canister with a threaded top. You can get an adaptor so that you can use the more readily available type of can that you already have Camping Burner Cartridge Gas Fuel Canister Stove Cans Tank Adapter Conver Qv | eBay
Thanks for that Philip, that's the Coleman one then judging by the piccies and description. Halfords can do me click/collect but not until Tuesday - the day after I'm having a wee bit of grevel dalivered for the patio! Ho hum, needs must I guess.

Thinking about it I guess that with a standard to adhere to, Coleman wouldn't have theier own proprietary thread. One thing I did notice is, that from the piccies and the videos on their web site, CampingGaz seem to use the twist'nLock fittings as on the CP250's.
 
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The trouble with the threaded cans is the price, it's far cheaper to do as Maxi-Model said and buy a adapter for the normal types, or if you have a correct size bit tube make one
 
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The trouble with the threaded cans is the price, it's far cheaper to do as Maxi-Model said and buy a adapter for the normal types, or if you have a correct size bit tube make one
Thanks for that, Paul - just looked at Maxi-Model's supplier and found they actually sell threaded cartridges! Smaller capacity than the chubby Coleman ones but probably easier (for me) to handle. Good for the longer term I think, since they are not too far away.

At least it will save my existing cans for the little camping stove!
 
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I do not think the adaptor shown in post #2 will work with Campingaz and similar fitting canisters. camping gas is not Campingaz. Take a look at this video about adapters for use with different types of canisters.


Also note the makes you have mentioned seem in most cases Butane/Propane mix. You might get away with this in the depths of a winter chill but most gas fired live steamers are designed for use with butane only in normal conditions, not mixed or propane only. If you search using EN 417 you will come up with the right canisters for the adaptor you already have. At least that will get you going reliably and most of all safely. Later on explore the the various adaptors ( Edit - I think they are known as CP250) that will allow you to use the cheaper butane filled alternatives. :)
 
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This is the sort of cartridge that will work with the above adapter, these are a lot cheaper than the screw jobbies, but may sure they are Butane as also mentioned by Maxi
 
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Well, I've managed to get a butane gas cyclinder with the threaed top, courtesy of our local Screwfix' click and collect service.

But to add to my frustration the gas canister adaptor that came with the model (this one) has broken! at first it would not compress, but with a bit of pushing and pulling that overcame the stifness - until I realised that the plunger that pushes the valve down on the gas cylinder wasn't retracting when I pulled the tube up, and it finally fell out and now won't go back into place!.

I can order a new one but want to make sure that I can get one that works properly - any recommendations? I have on my "list" forest classics, tony green steam and a couple of others but would welcome recommendations for a reliable part that works,, from someone who will do internet orders duting the crisis!

Thanks - Richard
 
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All sorted now, thans to Chuffed2Bits (who are within driving distance) and Mr Brunel is now happily chugging away!
 
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This is the sort of cartridge that will work with the above adapter, these are a lot cheaper than the screw jobbies, but may sure they are Butane as also mentioned by Maxi
I have had this adapter for a few years now, someone told me it was what I needed for the non standard cans like you show.

How does it fix in place? Have just tested the thread on the Loco gassing pipe and that fits the ones I have that fit the conventional threaded gas canister.
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I have had this adapter for a few years now, someone told me it was what I needed for the non standard cans like you show.

How does it fix in place? Have just tested the thread on the Loco gassing pipe and that fits the ones I have that fit the conventional threaded gas canister.
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Fit to the can top by locating the lug so it fits flush, push down and turn the locking ring until it stops, this forces out the 4 expanding lugs and locks it to the can.
PS do it outside in a ventilated area as it will lose some gas.
 
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I bought a couple of these from Amazon (shown in an earlier post), but i find they don't seal as well as they could do, and I can get a better fill from the can direct.
You do need to buy a good one, there's plenty of duff makes around. Mine came with adapter and pipe already combined and have had no problems
 
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Sorted now thanks, bought a few proper screw-thread cans from chuffed2bits
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