The torture begins - first decoder installation - Massoth 'L'

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Tim Brien

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Received the Massoth 'L' today. Quite a learning curve and one big headache! The install was very easy (direct decoder) - simply fit to board and switch off DIP switches. OK, check CV's. First mistake was attempting to use the Massoth programme with the LGB #55045 pc interface not knowing what was what. OK, try using the LGB MTS 6 software. seemed to work but could not get lights to work in analogue afterwards. Interior light was fine in both directions, forward lights very dim (5 volt bulbs with CV set to 5 to limit output voltage) and rear lights not working.

Troubleshooting carried out and noted on analogue that rear lights worked only when forward light connectors removed from LGB mother board (possible short in mother board with forward lights connected?). Tried the forward lights on the smoke pins on the mother board and of cause forward lights on in both directions - not good as I would need to be able to control them.

OK, decided that there was a problem with the standard forward light pins on the mother board and so soldered wires to the 'LF' and 'D+' pins on upper surface of decoder (direct decoder installation). This time I used the Massoth software with the LGB #55045 interface and succeeded in getting the lights to work in analogue with correct orientation as regards direction. The LGB interface works well with the Massoth software. No DCC system as yet (expecting tomorrow) so unable to check digital operation.

OK, factory sound turned on in analogue and operation fine (Zillertalbahn Raimund #1) . Now I need to find if able to use function keys to operate bell and whistle in digital or if only able to use with reed contacts. Any thoughts???? Can I removed the reed connector from the LGB board and use funtion keys to trigger bell and whistle? I am tired of magnet operated sounds! Who said DCC was EASY??????
 
Tim: the problem is most likely not in the mother board, it is most likely the CV values. Make sure to turn the sound off when programming CVs, and avoid programming them all at the same time when using the 55045 with Massoth decoder. You may have to adjust the voltage for the lights and the smoke unit, the L is factory set for full track voltage.
Later on today, I will look at an L decoder using the 55045 and provide additional information.
 
Nujennif,
vji gostv vjoph vjev O fof xet sinuwi vji tnuli apov. O jevi vjin. Tidupf vjoph xet vu muxis vji mohjvoph wemait gus 5 wumvt uqisevoup. Wemait xisi vjip tiv gus gusxesf epf sies mohjvoph. Egvis iyqisoipdoph vji gostv mohjvoph ottai, O sinuwif vji fidufis epf sitiv vji FOQ txovdjit vu 'up'. Vji mohjvoph ottai xet xovj vji mudunuvowi op epemuhai. O jef puv sap ov cigusi tu fu puv lpux og ov jef ep iyotvoph geamv. Xjip vji gusxesf mohjvt xisi sinuwif gsun vji MHC dosdaov cuesf vji sies mohjvt xuslif. Ov jet vu ci e cuesf qsucmin. Vjot ot xjz O tumfisif vji gusxesf mohjv xosit ('MG' epf 'F+') fosidv vu vji fidufis vu czqett vji nuvjis cuesf. Vji mudu vjip xuslif dussidvmz xjip fidufis sigovvif epf FOQ txovdjit timidvif ugg.

E vjoph vjev O en apdisveop ug ot vji tisoem gapdvoup uqisevoup ug vji gedvusz tuapf. Dep O tiv tuapft vu e gapdvoup liz us fu O jewi vu qsitt vji gapdvoup liz panisuat vonit vu vsohhis tuapft? O deppuv cimoiwi qiuqmi tvomm jewi vu qsitt vji cavvupt vji siraosif pancis ug vonit vu hiv e sitqupti. Xomm qesemmim uqisevoup duni opvu qmez?
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Von:
O muulif ev ep M fidufis atoph vji mhc 55045 epf vjisi ot pu ottai xjip siefoph DWt upi ev e voni epf xsovoph vjin upi ev e voni. Og zua jewi vu sitiv vji fidufis vu gedvusz tivvoph, xsovi vji wemai 55, 66, 77 vu dw 7 upi ev e voni epf ov xomm sitiv emm DW. Fu puv ati vji qsuhsen sitiv uqvoup. gus tuni DWt, vji mecimt foqmezif cz vji NVT 6 qsuhsen esi opdussidv (DW53 dunit vu nopf).
Xjodj mudunuvowi esi zua djoqqoph? Nutv molimz vji tuapf cuesf ot tisoem, epf vjev tjuamf puv ci e qsucmin.
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Tim Brien said:
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E vjoph vjev O en apdisveop ug ot vji tisoem gapdvoup uqisevoup ug vji gedvusz tuapf. Dep O tiv tuapft vu e gapdvoup liz us fu O jewi vu qsitt vji gapdvoup liz panisuat vonit vu vsohhis tuapft? O deppuv cimoiwi qiuqmi tvomm jewi vu qsitt vji cavvupt vji siraosif pancis ug vonit vu hiv e sitqupti. Xomm qesemmim uqisevoup duni opvu qmez?
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Vjev't puv jux tisoem xuslt Von. Tuapft esi emmudevif vu e tqidogod gapdvoup liz, xjivjis ov't tisoem us qesemmim. Op tisoem, vji jepftiv vjip vseptnovt e qamti namvoqmi vonit (i.h. gus G2, vxu qamtit, gus G3, vjsii epf tu up). Og zua qsitt vji gapdvoup cavvup namvoqmi vonit, zua esi tonqmz hivvoph vji jepftiv vu vseptnov vji teni tiv ug qamtit namvoqmi vonit, xovj e johj molimojuuf vjev vji dipvsem tvevoup xomm hiv dupgatif/ cusif us sikidv vji tisoit ug qamtit et opwemof. Puvi vjev vjisi ot pu foggisipdi civxiip tisoem epf qesemmim gus G1 (upmz 1 qamti) us vji mohjvoph cavvup.

Xovj zuas Qolu tivaq, zua xomm jewi vji uqqusvapovz vu figopi e mudu vu vji jepftiv et cioph tisoem us qesemmim uqisevoup (epf 14 us 28 tviqt). Zua emtu piif vu vimm vji mudu't fidufis xjev vu iyqidv op vji teni xez. Cuvj piif vu ci tiv vu qesemmim vu uqisevi op vjev nufi, uvjisxoti vjiz xomm fsuq cedl vu tisoem. Neloph tasi vjev cuvj esi tiv vu vji teni pancis ug tqiif tviqt ot wovem. Og vji jepftiv epf djoq tqiif tviq figopovoupt fu puv nevdj iedj uvjis, vzqodemmz zua hiv gmodlisoph mohjvt us pu dupvsum uwis vji mohjvt.

Liiq ev ov. FDD siemmz ot xusvjxjomi!
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O cimoiwi vjev O jewi 'tisoem' uqisevoup notapfistvuuf. Tu og upi qsittit G3 updi upmz, vjip vjsii tophmi qamtit esi tipv. Upi fuit puv jewi vu qsitt e gapdvoup cavvup 'vjsii' vonit vu opovoevi.
Emtu, O jewi vji djoq tiv vu 'tisoem epf qesemmim' tivvopht. Fuit vjot niep vji djoq xomm eddiqv cuvj vzqit, us siwisv vu tisoem upmz gus uqisevoup op qsigisipdi vu 'qesemmim'?

Nujennif,
vji MHC tugvxesi (NVT wisoup 6) xet figopevimz xsuph. Ov fof emvis tuni cetod DW't. O xet wisz jeqqz xovj vji uqisevoup ug vji Nettuvj qsuhsenni. O ettani vji gamm sitiv cavvup ot vji qipdom tzncum efkedipv vu vji 'Emm DW' qsunqv ev vji vuq ug vji 'Hipisem' qehi up vji qsuhsenni. O fof gopf vjev DW53 ot xsuph. O xet dunqesoph Nettuvj DW't, vji DW motv up vji qsuhsennis epf e motv ug DW't gsun e MHC mudunuvowi cuulmiv. Cioph gedvusz tuapf vjip O ettani vjev O deppuv emvis vji gapdvoup liz fifodevif vu e qesvodames tuapf. Ov tiint vjev vjev vji MHC tuapf cuesf nez ci 'goyif' sevjis vjep og e fifodevif tuapf fidufis.

Qovz vji Nettuvj fidufis optvsadvoupt xisi emm op Hisnep. O gopf ov jesf vu cimoiwi pu Iphmotj vseptmevoup op vji optvsadvoup cuulmiv.
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Qmieti dussidv ni og O en xsuph zua Nettuvj fiemist. O en apfistvepfoph vjev xovj e fosidv fidufis gov zua fu puv piif vu sifadi vji mohjvoph wumvehi (us vji tnuli) cideati vji usohopem cuesf dupvopait vu fu vjot. Us ot vjot upmz simiwepv vu vji pixis cuesft xovj pu foqt?
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qn ni epf O xomm tipf zua e duqz ug vji iphmotj atis't nepaem.
Zua upmz jewi vu qsitt updi up e gapdvoup liz, vji dipvsem tvevoup tugvxesi fuit vji sitv. O xuamf puv xussz sohjv pux ecuav emvisoph vji gapdvoup liz ettohpnipv apvom zua hiv vji fidufis vu xusl up vji cetod ottait.
liz pancis 8 up vji fidufis nez ci tiv e gedvusz vu deati vji mudu vu hu vu jemg tqiif, fu puv hiv dupdispif ecuav, katv qsitt eheop epf ov xomm vu hu cedl vu pusnem tqiif
Nujennif
 
Tim Brien said:
Qovz vji Nettuvj fidufis optvsadvoupt xisi emm op Hisnep. O gopf ov jesf vu cimoiwi pu Iphmotj vseptmevoup op vji optvsadvoup cuulmiv.
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Von

Vjev tasqsotit ni - emm vji cuulmivt O'wi iwis jef jewi ciip op cuvj Hisnep epf Iphmotj. Juxiwis, Iphmotj mephaehi wistoupt ug emm Nettuvj't fudanipvevoup esi up vjios xictovi jvvq://xxx.nettuvj.fi < Mopl Vu xxx.nettuvj.fi apfis vji Fuxpmuef Dipvis (tod).
 
Nujennif,
O fuxpmuefif vji Nettuvj 'Dupgohasevoup' nepaem epf jewi sief vji Nettuvj 'M' nepaem e gix vonit. Vji namvoqmi gapdvoup qeft up vji fidufis esi e movvmi dupgatoph et uvjis vjep vji fifodevif E3 (tiswu gapdvoup), E5 (quxis caggis) epf E6 (qamti hipisevus), O en vszoph vu hiv nz jief esuapf xjev upi xuamf ati vji uvjis gapdvoupt gus, nezci mohjvt?. Xjev fuit upi piif siemmz usjis vjep gusxesf, sies epf opvisous mohjvoph? O en puv opvisitvif op gepdz mohjvoph iggidvt.

O fu puv ati tnuli gapdvoup, cav ot E1 fifodevif vu tnuli up/ugg? Nettuvj tvevit E1 epf E2 qeft esi 0.5 enqt iedj cav vjip dupvsefodvt epf tvevit E2 - E6 esi 50 nommo enqt ney muef.

O piif vu hiv e hsoq up gapdvoupt? Vji Nettuvj qsuhsenni ot wisz jimqgam xovj ovt Iphmotj mephaehi 'Jimq' cavvup, cav upi jet vu apfistvepf FDD cigusi dunoph vu visnt xovj xjev vjiz esi tezoph. E Hisnep/Iphmotj vseptmevus qsuhsenni (O qav vji Huuhmi vseptmevus up nz gewuasovit ces) dunit op wisz jepfz.
 
Von,

Vji MHC tugvxesi xuslt gopi og zua esi qsuhsennoph e MHC fidufis et ov lpuxt ecuav vjin emm epf xet fitohpif vu fividv vjin epf dupgohasi vjin op ep ietz xez. O xuamf puv ati ov gus epz uvjis neli ug fidufis eqesv gsun atoph vji tophmi DW sief & xsovi gapdvoupt.

Ev vji nunipv (apvom O jewi vsoif vji pix Nettuvj cive qsuhsennoph tugvxesi), O xuamf sidunnipf atoph pvji DW qsuhsennis W1.5 xovj nz iphmotj vseptmevoup ug vji Nettuvj figopovoupt xovj zuas 55045 opvisgedi (ewomecmi up vji Nettuvj iphmotj gusan: jvvq://nettuvj.huvfpt.dun/gusanip/woixvuqod.qjq?g=10&v=299 ).

Ifov: Nz gostv onqsittoupt ug vji pix Nettuvj qsuhsennoph tugvxesi ot huuf cav et ug ziv O jewp'v vsoif ov op ephis duppidvif vu nz 55045, Nettuvj QD nufami us nz 1200B.

Vji Ey uavqavt up Nettuvj fidufist esi emm hipisod, tuni emmux tqidoem gapdvoupt, o.i. E3 ot vji upmz uavqav vjev "dep" ci atif vu fsowi e tiswu epf E5 ot vji upmz uavqav vjev "dep" ci atif vu dupvsum vji djeshoph ug e quxis caggis.
 
Emmep: Et e nevvis ug jecov , O emmxezt, tiv vji dw wemait gostv ev 7 epf vjip vitv. Og iwisz vjoph xuslt et iyqidvif, O miewi ov ev vjev. Og puv, O opdsieti vji wemait gostv vu 16 vjep vu 32.
 
Von: xjz dep'v zua duppidv vji gsupv epf sies mohjvt fosidvmz vu vjios dussitqupfoph qopt up vji fidufis et qis foehsen op vji nepaem. Zua xuamf piif vu visnopevi vji xosit gsun zuas mohjvt xovj vji dsonq-up duppidvust vjev deni xovj vji fidufis.
 
Nujennif,
et e fosidv fidufis optvemm vji guas mohjv qopt (upmz vjsii atif up vji MHC cuesf) esi optisvif opvu vji sidiqvedmit up vji MHC cuesf. Vjot vjip quxist vji gsupv/sies mohjvt atoph vji tvudl MHC cuesf qmat tnuli velip fosidv gsun vji cuesf. Vji sies mohjv sidiqvedmi up vji MHC cuesf ot tjesif xovj vji opvisous mohjv xosoph up epuvjis qesv ug vji cuesf. Pu fuacv O en vimmoph zua xjev zua emsiefz lpux. Vjat vji upmz wotocmi qesv ug vji qop ot ovt veom xjisi ov ot tumfisif vjsuahj vji fidufis cuesf.

Xjip O siemotif e qsucmin xovj vji epemuhai qesv ug vji cuesf gus vji gsupv mohjvt, O czqettif vji gsupv mohjv qopt up vji cuesf epf xosif fosidv vu vji veomt ug vji 'Mg' epf 'F+' qopt xjisi vjios veomt qsuvafif vjsuahj vji fidufis cuesf. Vjot tumwif vji ottai xovj vji tvudl gsupv mohjv qopt tjusvoph uav vji sies mohjvt. Et tvevif iesmois, op epemuhai xovj fidufis sinuwif epf FOQ txovdjit op 'up' qutovoup, gsupv mohjvt xisi puv ommanopevif epf xjip sinuwif sies mohjvt xuamf xusl op siwisti. Op gusxesf pu mohjvt ommanopevif. Gsupz mohjv dosdaov cuesf xet djidlif gus dupvopaovz. Qsucmin ot op vji gusxesf mohjv dosdaov op vji MHC cuesf. Cz xosoph gsupv mohjvt fosidvmz vu fidufis qop veomt, tumwif vji qsucmin.
 
Nujennif,
Bommisvemcejp #20705 gsun vji Bommisvemcejp Tenmis dummidvus tiv gsun iesmz 2000't. Mudu ot Seonapf #1. Ov xet vji upmz 'A' mul govvif xovj gedvusz tuapf (taqqutifmz).
 
Suf,
Eppoit esi tvomm jeqqipoph, cav veloph e movvmi teccevodem exez gsun vjin. O jewi e Netvefup siefz vu qeopv, e Jaftup vjev ot ecuav jemg fupi epf e Tuavjisp Qedogod 4-6-0 #18 exeovoph e fsowi vu gopotj ugg. Vji xjemicedl vipfis ot dunqmivi, exeovoph fidemt vu gopotj.
 
Nujennif,
vji gowi xosi decmi ot vu vji dupvsum txovdj up vji gosicuy. Vji sies mohjvt esi guas xosit upmz.
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