Ml-train dcc system
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I'm keen to hear how the programming works, in particular if you can read a CV, have you tried that yet?
I own up. I'm an idiot. New system default setting is 28 steps.
Played around with it a bit more today, setting up the loco 'library' and that gives the speed step options for which starts at the default of 28.
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Phil, a little confused about your statement.
So your opinion that all manufacturers should support the "address 0" pulse stretching? Fewer and fewer do, claiming that it's bad for the motors (it is) and very poor running (it is), and motory only decoders are cheap (they are).
If you meant all DCC DECODERS, then, all the decoders I have tried this on seem to work, since they think they are getting DC..... crappy DC, but DC...
Greg
So your opinion that all manufacturers should support the "address 0" pulse stretching? Fewer and fewer do, claiming that it's bad for the motors (it is) and very poor running (it is), and motory only decoders are cheap (they are).
If you meant all DCC DECODERS, then, all the decoders I have tried this on seem to work, since they think they are getting DC..... crappy DC, but DC...
Greg
Phil, a little confused about your statement.
So your opinion that all manufacturers should support the "address 0" pulse stretching? Fewer and fewer do, claiming that it's bad for the motors (it is) and very poor running (it is), and motory only decoders are cheap (they are).
If you meant all DCC DECODERS, then, all the decoders I have tried this on seem to work, since they think they are getting DC..... crappy DC, but DC...
Greg
I agree, it is a 'orrible thing to do!
BUT, as I understand it, it is in the NMRA specifications.. Therefore it should be there, until the NMRA say 'not'..
i always try to persuade anyone not to do it, if at all possible..
OK for a test of an analogue loco. - IF you do not have an analogue controller / bench supply. ?Why not?
If you really-must run the loco:
Then for a short-time, and never leave it sitting, on-track, buzzing-away.. - It has a switch. Use it!
I agree my use of English was a little sloppy.. I have not found a decoder which does not support it (yet). but, as you say, some manufacturers are removing the functionality from their CS's.
Ahh a small correction, pulse stretching is in the NMRA specification as an OPTIONAL feature, not a required feature.
By contrast, REQUIRING a removal of power from the programming track to complete a CV modification VIOLATES the DCC specification.
There are very few requirements in the spec, and it never ceases to surprise me how even these aren't always followed, and how few manufacturers get their products NMRA approved, but it's our fault as consumers (in the US at least) in not pressuring them to get approved. But that's politics to a certain degree too.
The "address 0" support is disappearing from US made equipment. We don't feel the "legacy" of this and 14 speed steps as strongly as Europe, quite logically.
All understandable in terms of history and the market, although, the MFX stuff is muddying the waters in my opinion, when I would prefer more people support RailComm.... but that's just me ha ha.
Greg
By contrast, REQUIRING a removal of power from the programming track to complete a CV modification VIOLATES the DCC specification.
There are very few requirements in the spec, and it never ceases to surprise me how even these aren't always followed, and how few manufacturers get their products NMRA approved, but it's our fault as consumers (in the US at least) in not pressuring them to get approved. But that's politics to a certain degree too.
The "address 0" support is disappearing from US made equipment. We don't feel the "legacy" of this and 14 speed steps as strongly as Europe, quite logically.
All understandable in terms of history and the market, although, the MFX stuff is muddying the waters in my opinion, when I would prefer more people support RailComm.... but that's just me ha ha.
Greg
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I have just purchased this system. I too am having problems inputting the password into the Z21. I have found English instructions.
otherwise it can according to the instructions programme everything you could wish for on the main track.
you can have 1-99 loco addresses Greg.
otherwise it can according to the instructions programme everything you could wish for on the main track.
you can have 1-99 loco addresses Greg.
The manufactor of those is MD-electronics. I use 14 switch decoders and have 1 small decoder for a simple loco and just bought three XL-decoder and a programmer for that. I struggle with programming decoder, doesn't matter what system I'm using, I gave up my LGB MTS and use for the big museums G-scale tram layout in Hannover digitrax, my own layout runs with Massoth, The same as my friend garden layout does. During the last 10 days, I tried to programm a decoder for my tram. See here, please: Test board for tram lightning. But I'm a beginner in using things on a decoder, what means more than only running a loco and switch on lights. For anyone who is more into it, the MD-programmer must be usefull.
By the way here the internet address, for his shop: Shop MD.electronics.de. It lokks like, that it is only in German, but the instruction come also with the products in English and you can download the instructions. If you look under "Angebot", you will find the offer for a set. If you need help with the site, please ask.
Peter
By the way here the internet address, for his shop: Shop MD.electronics.de. It lokks like, that it is only in German, but the instruction come also with the products in English and you can download the instructions. If you look under "Angebot", you will find the offer for a set. If you need help with the site, please ask.
Peter
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I have got the passwords for the MD zXion and my WiFi sorted but I have tried both 192.168.111.111 and 192.168.0.111 as the central station IP address but neither work......
You may have to set your computer and possibly your router to work with those "subnets"...
for example, if your computers work on 192.168.0.x, then your computer can have difficulty communicating with 192.168.111.x
can you ping the ip address at all?
Greg
for example, if your computers work on 192.168.0.x, then your computer can have difficulty communicating with 192.168.111.x
can you ping the ip address at all?
Greg
Mm. The instructions don’t talk about subnets
The instructions tell you to enter the number I have quoted above so that the central station can take commands from the handset. I don’t know why there are two different IP addresses stated in the same instruction book. Im not sure what you mean by “can you ping the IP address”
The instructions tell you to enter the number I have quoted above so that the central station can take commands from the handset. I don’t know why there are two different IP addresses stated in the same instruction book. Im not sure what you mean by “can you ping the IP address”
Hmm! Reference to IP Address, this is your own Home IP Address, will be something similar to 192.168.1.1, info card supplied with your router will provide correct IP Address.
Connection to router, depending on your service provider and security level on the router, manual connection may NOT be authorised, as in trying to attach by NOT using WPS.
You may require admin access to your own router to change access levels and to also apply fixed IP addressing to individual devices.
See attached, all devices are Authorised and have fixed IP addresses.
Connection to router, depending on your service provider and security level on the router, manual connection may NOT be authorised, as in trying to attach by NOT using WPS.
You may require admin access to your own router to change access levels and to also apply fixed IP addressing to individual devices.
See attached, all devices are Authorised and have fixed IP addresses.
Still not working !!
Suffice to say my head is "mashed"
I have followed the instructions supplied with the unit to the letter.
I have tried to input my own broadband router IP address in - no change.
Suffice to say my head is "mashed"
I have followed the instructions supplied with the unit to the letter.
I have tried to input my own broadband router IP address in - no change.
Hi Steve
What IP address did you enter ?
(The one for the central station) The instructions say 192.168.111.111 - but that would appear to be the IP address of a Z21 central station, not the handset.
From the top...
a) using as a self contained stand alone unit, as a Wi-Fi access point, as a self contained stand alone WLAN, no internet connection, and no direct link or access via your home network.
b) or as part of your own home Network, devices are part of your home network with access to the internet.
The setting up procedure is different for the two options, and entering IP address's etc will only work correctly if the configurations for either option is correct, cannot mix and match IP addresses across the two options.
Statring from scratch.....
Power on CS and WLAN adaptor, then from a computer or mobile phone, scan for networks.
Does the following Network name (SSID) appear as a listed access point?, if so, so far so good, connect to the (SSID) and enter the password, connection is now established all is working as it should.
Once a connection is proven, then move to the next stage.... depending on options (a) or (b) ...........
If not, go back, recheck connections, cables etc...
The setting up procedure is exactly the same as using a Raspberry Pi and an Arduino as a DCC Central Station, as either a stand alone Wi-Fi access point or part and parcel of a home network, different hardware, same principle!
a) using as a self contained stand alone unit, as a Wi-Fi access point, as a self contained stand alone WLAN, no internet connection, and no direct link or access via your home network.
b) or as part of your own home Network, devices are part of your home network with access to the internet.
The setting up procedure is different for the two options, and entering IP address's etc will only work correctly if the configurations for either option is correct, cannot mix and match IP addresses across the two options.
Statring from scratch.....
Power on CS and WLAN adaptor, then from a computer or mobile phone, scan for networks.
Does the following Network name (SSID) appear as a listed access point?, if so, so far so good, connect to the (SSID) and enter the password, connection is now established all is working as it should.
Once a connection is proven, then move to the next stage.... depending on options (a) or (b) ...........
If not, go back, recheck connections, cables etc...
The setting up procedure is exactly the same as using a Raspberry Pi and an Arduino as a DCC Central Station, as either a stand alone Wi-Fi access point or part and parcel of a home network, different hardware, same principle!
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Connections have been made:
The MD mXion is connected via password “MDELEC1207” the aerial symbol confirms that is done.
The WiFi is connected (Vodafone in my case) and the password carefully entered with caps on/ off as necessary.
The instructions that came with the unit from Modell-land specifically tell you to change the IP address to 192.168.0.111 in one section but then in another instruction tell you to change the IP address to 192.168.111.111.
I have tried both after numerous resets of the whole unit.
neither work and I still have both direction arrows and pause flashing which means trains cannot be operated !
I have also entered my Vodafone IP address. Still no joy
The MD mXion is connected via password “MDELEC1207” the aerial symbol confirms that is done.
The WiFi is connected (Vodafone in my case) and the password carefully entered with caps on/ off as necessary.
The instructions that came with the unit from Modell-land specifically tell you to change the IP address to 192.168.0.111 in one section but then in another instruction tell you to change the IP address to 192.168.111.111.
I have tried both after numerous resets of the whole unit.
neither work and I still have both direction arrows and pause flashing which means trains cannot be operated !
I have also entered my Vodafone IP address. Still no joy
Part of an email from one of my German friends...
After starting the control centre, switch on the WLANMAUS. Then under Settings ➔ Reset ➔ System settings, the mouse is reset once, then restarted and guided through the guide.
Select the network mXion MZSpro and type in the password, the display always shows capital letters, but ONLY if there is an arrow in the display (shift key).
Password is MDELEC1207 (switch off Shift again for numbers, arrow goes away. The arrow can be seen at the bottom right next to ABC!).
**Then the WLANMAUS connects to the control centre, the pause symbol and the double arrows flash after the connection.**
Then you have to change the IP to 192.168.0.111 under Settings ➔ WLAN ➔ Z21-IP address. Then everything works as expected. If the control centre has been switched off, the mouse also has to be switched off, the mouse does not like it when the WLAN breaks down and then comes back.
Therefore, it is better to restart the mouse when restarting the control centre.
After starting the control centre, switch on the WLANMAUS. Then under Settings ➔ Reset ➔ System settings, the mouse is reset once, then restarted and guided through the guide.
Select the network mXion MZSpro and type in the password, the display always shows capital letters, but ONLY if there is an arrow in the display (shift key).
Password is MDELEC1207 (switch off Shift again for numbers, arrow goes away. The arrow can be seen at the bottom right next to ABC!).
**Then the WLANMAUS connects to the control centre, the pause symbol and the double arrows flash after the connection.**
Then you have to change the IP to 192.168.0.111 under Settings ➔ WLAN ➔ Z21-IP address. Then everything works as expected. If the control centre has been switched off, the mouse also has to be switched off, the mouse does not like it when the WLAN breaks down and then comes back.
Therefore, it is better to restart the mouse when restarting the control centre.
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