IP Engineering open cattle wagon

[John Le Forestier]

If you give me the inside dimensions of the most popular of the model wagons used for this service, I'll see what i can do.... up to now I have given this whole sheep business considerable thought, and much of that thinking can be applied here. I won't give away any secrets at this early stage, but my sheep project is quite exciting and consists of several parts. I'd be delighted to fit it to British practice.
By the way, can we post privately to other members on this site, d'you know?

 

[Paul M]

If you give me the inside dimensions of the most popular of the model wagons used for this service, I'll see what i can do.... up to now I have given this whole sheep business considerable thought, and much of that thinking can be applied here. I won't give away any secrets at this early stage, but my sheep project is quite exciting and consists of several parts. I'd be delighted to fit it to British practice.
By the way, can we post privately to other members on this site, d'you know?

Yes, click on the envelope icon top right

 

[ge_rik]

If you give me the inside dimensions of the most popular of the model wagons used for this service, I'll see what i can do.... up to now I have given this whole sheep business considerable thought, and much of that thinking can be applied here. I won't give away any secrets at this early stage, but my sheep project is quite exciting and consists of several parts. I'd be delighted to fit it to British practice.
By the way, can we post privately to other members on this site, d'you know?

Hi John
I can only give you internal dimensions of the IP Engineering wagon I have constructed here - it's 190mm x 84mm. The most popular sheep wagon would be that made by Accucraft, based on the Welshpool and Llanfair sheep wagon. Does anyone have one of those handy to get its internal dimensions?

Yes. It's possible to PM on the forum. Just click on the name of the poster an it should offer you the option to start a conversation

Rik

 

[John Le Forestier]

Hi John
I can only give you internal dimensions of the IP Engineering wagon I have constructed here - it's 190mm x 84mm. The most popular sheep wagon would be that made by Accucraft, based on the Welshpool and Llanfair sheep wagon. Does anyone have one of those handy to get its internal dimensions?

Yes. It's possible to PM on the forum. Just click on the name of the poster an it should offer you the option to start a conversation

Rik

Thanks Rik - Your info is filed in my sheepfolder. -John

 

[John Le Forestier]

Rik
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Because the loops are thin, they cannot be used for propelling stock and so all my stock has to have centre buffers.

If all your loops were tilted at a slight but similar angle left to right, when they contact each other they would cross each other rather than lie parallel. I wonder if this would solve the problem of propelling the wagons in shunting moves?

 

[John Le Forestier]

Thanks Rik - Your info is filed in my sheepfolder. -John

I'll go hunting for the dimensions of the W&L wagon - I've found a picture. Now there's the small matter of scale - my original sheep project was to be in 1:24 scale, which I shall still do, as I want some in that scale. But, as a newbie on this forum, I am getting some surprises. The source for the W&L wagon picture labelled it as 1:19 scale -??? is that right? Are you Rik, with your IP equipment modelling in 1:16 scale? And what is 16 mm scale anyway, as a proportion to the prototype? Is that what you're using? What scale of sheep - as a proportion please, ie 1:x - would be most useful? I'm finding myself most unused to some of this single-digit (ie 16mm) nomenclature. Any unpacking of it would be very helpful. So are you using #1 gauge under this gear? Cheers!

 

[ge_rik]

I'll go hunting for the dimensions of the W&L wagon - I've found a picture. Now there's the small matter of scale - my original sheep project was to be in 1:24 scale, which I shall still do, as I want some in that scale. But, as a newbie on this forum, I am getting some surprises. The source for the W&L wagon picture labelled it as 1:19 scale -??? is that right? Are you Rik, with your IP equipment modelling in 1:16 scale? And what is 16 mm scale anyway, as a proportion to the prototype? Is that what you're using? What scale of sheep - as a proportion please, ie 1:x - would be most useful? I'm finding myself most unused to some of this single-digit (ie 16mm) nomenclature. Any unpacking of it would be very helpful. So are you using #1 gauge under this gear? Cheers!

Hi John
Ah, the old garden railway scale / gauge conundrum....

16mm scale means 16mm to the foot, which gives two foot gauge on O gauge (32mm) track. This equates to 1:19. By contrast, 1:20.3 (referred to as F scale or Fn3) is 15mm to the foot which gives three foot gauge on 45mm track. There is also SE (seven-eighths or 7/8" to the foot) which is 1:13.7 which then gives two foot gauge on 45mm track.

I reckon if you go for sheep around 1:20 scale they will fit both 16mm and 15mm scales. 7/8 is a different kettle of fish ....

Rik
PS Whatever you do, don't ask anyone to explain what "G Scale" means .......

 

[dunnyrail]

Hi John
Ah, the old garden railway scale / gauge conundrum....

16mm scale means 16mm to the foot, which gives two foot gauge on O gauge (32mm) track. This equates to 1:19. By contrast, 1:20.3 (referred to as F scale or Fn3) is 15mm to the foot which gives three foot gauge on 45mm track. There is also SE (seven-eighths or 7/8" to the foot) which is 1:13.7 which then gives two foot gauge on 45mm track.

I reckon if you go for sheep around 1:20 scale they will fit both 16mm and 15mm scales. 7/8 is a different kettle of fish ....

Rik
PS Whatever you do, don't ask anyone to explain what "G Scale" means .......

Oh crikey no to G indeed, we could be on about that for another 150 posts - yet again!

 

[tac foley]

You might like to 'dribble' a wash of thin white paint around the bottom of the planking to simulate the lime wash that was used as a disinfectant at that time. It ran out of all the gaps in the planking and over the frame...

 

[korm kormsen]

John,

16mm to the foot (16.04 to be exact) is 1:19. figures for that are about 100mm/4" high.
looking for a nervous breakdown? just take a look at a list of scales and denominations: scales

 

[John Le Forestier]

Hello again Korm. Ratios are well within my comfort zone. 1:20 is comprehensible.... The clarification is much appreciated, Ric, and now I know where I'm going. I can plan to make 'em in two sizes, 1:24 for myself and my fellow 1:24 modelers, 1:20 for everyone else, on both sides of the pond. Cheers!

 

[ge_rik]

You might like to 'dribble' a wash of thin white paint around the bottom of the planking to simulate the lime wash that was used as a disinfectant at that time. It ran out of all the gaps in the planking and over the frame...

I've been speculating on that Tac. My railway is set in the 1930s and I think they stopped lime washing in the 20s. However, Peckforton is a bit of a backwater so who knows.....

Rik

 

[ge_rik]

If all your loops were tilted at a slight but similar angle left to right, when they contact each other they would cross each other rather than lie parallel. I wonder if this would solve the problem of propelling the wagons in shunting moves?

Nice idea, John. I didn't think of that. I've gone down the centre buffer route now so it's not necessary, but if/when I get around to blogging about it, I might mention that as an option.

Thanks

Rik

 

[ge_rik]

The latest on this. Yesterday, I received a parcel from a fellow modeller containing three clusters of 3D printed sheep.

I had arranged my six available sheep on a baseplate of corruflute which was exactly 1/3 of the area of the wagon and then sent him him a series of photos taken from various angles. From these pictures, he was able to create a 3D image suitable for printing.


Unfortunately, I didn't notice that some of their snouts and bums were overlapping the baseplate and so he had to reduce them in size slightly so they would fit. He even printed one set in reverse to try and overcome the regimented layout. The threesome fit nicely in the wagon, with a little bit of spare capacity for another couple of sheep.

Of course, they need painting which will make the baseplates 'disappear', but I am delighted with the outcome. A lot more realistic than my blobby plaster cast version.

Rik

 

[PhilP]

They are very good.. And an excellent example of the technology, used to convert from photo(s) to 3D render.

Though, I have not heard of the Cheshire Blobby breed of sheep before!

 

[John Le Forestier]

I'm impressed, but there's still room for improvement. I shall press on with my own ideas. At the moment my sheep project is in a queue behind two other projects, both bespoke.

 

[tac foley]

They are very good.. And an excellent example of the technology, used to convert from photo(s) to 3D render.

Though, I have not heard of the Cheshire Blobby breed of sheep before!

The Cheshire Blobby is better known its correct name - the Cheshire Threedy.

 

[Paul M]

The Cheshire Blobby is better known its correct name - the Cheshire Threedy.

Or, as we say in North Herts, "Chops"

 

[ge_rik]

I've now painted the 3D printed sheep which my mate kindly did for me. I think they look pretty convincing....

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I also decided to see if I could improve on my plaster casting - I bought a kilo of plaster and I'd hate to see it go to waste.

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I bunched these more closely together and I think it's an improvement. But I don't think I can match the 3D printed ones.

Rik

 

[JimmyB]

I've now painted the 3D printed sheep which my mate kindly did for me. I think they look pretty convincing....

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I also decided to see if I could improve on my plaster casting - I bought a kilo of plaster and I'd hate to see it go to waste.

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I bunched these more closely together and I think it's an improvement. But I don't think I can match the 3D printed ones.

Rik

Rik the 3D one do look good, but the plaster one, once painted aren't bad