British Outline looking Freight suggestions.

[LGB-Sid]

As the title says looking to start and obtain some British looking Outline Freight, at the moment I have none so can go down any route depending on costs

Looked at Thomas Freight wagons couldn't find actual sizes for them as I was trying to compare them to the Accuraft 16mm Wagons.



Do 16mm wagons look correct behind a LGB G scale engine ? Found the Accucraft ones which have the Look

Length over coupling 230
Width 105
Height 85




Both the above cost around the same price, Not found any LGB ones that look very British yet,

Any other suggestions ?

 

[PaulRhB]

The Accucraft wagons look fine with LGB locos.
Not a good pic but that's an LGB loco and coaches with Accucraft wagons in the sidings.
Note though that the L&B wagons are quite a bit smaller than their W&L wagons due to track gauge being smaller and loading gauge differences.

 

[railwayman198]

The German boxcars could pass for UK I think http://www.grsuk.com/Goods-Wagon-DEV-NEW-2016-M8715. I haven't bought any stock for a while and I got a shock when I saw the price (although other shops will have them a bit cheaper). Variations on this theme have been around for years though so you should be able to find used examples for much less - the brown version looks particularly good. The Accucraft 16mm L&B wagons are a bit small (the prototypes were tiny). The W&LLR types size better with LGB.

 

[Neil Robinson]

I think the LGB 4x21(x) type opens

https://www.champex-linden.de/lgb_p...a379885c1256ca7004a7d5d02ec.html?OpenDocument

and the 4x35(x) vans are reasonably British outline.

https://www.champex-linden.de/lgb_p...738adafc1256936003d15ce02ec.html?OpenDocument

With the vans I prefer the old 4035 or more modern 46350 versions. Others have Christmas or specific product decoration, as do some of the opens.

Edit, I see Philip shares my opinion of the vans and posted whilst I was typing.

 

[Gizzy]

Look at David's threads for the Claptowte Railway, if you want to see LGB wagons made to look more British....

 

[stockers]

The Backmann Thomas ones can look a little too large. As stated above - these look just fine and go well with the smaller locos from LGB, which tend to look a bit more British style than some of the big stuff.

 

[a98087]

You can't go far wrong with a few of these,

http://kentgardenrailways.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_76_103&product_id=525

Especially at the price of 17.50 each, they just need a rub down and repaint, I have a rake sat on my workbench making slow progress

Dan

 

[Chris Vernell]

You can't go far wrong with a few of these,
http://kentgardenrailways.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_76_103&product_id=525
Especially at the price of 17.50 each, they just need a rub down and repaint, I have a rake sat on my workbench making slow progress
Dan

You have to get rid of the continuous brake gear. No self-respecting British goods wagon had proper brakes

 

[dunnyrail]

You have to get rid of the continuous brake gear. No self-respecting British goods wagon had proper brakes

Not quite correct Chris, the Lynton and Barnstaple had fully fitted stock. That was because the line used to run Mixed Freight Trains and the Stock could be either end of the Train.

But certainly the old LGB Playtrain Wagons are resonably inexpensive if not in Pseudo Prototypical Liveries, can be made to look quite British as has been shown on this site and also available in satisfactory numbers second hand. I have a good collection some of which I modified to have a slightly Irish feel to them. The only thing that offended me was the difference from the Wheels to the Bufer at opposing ends which gives the Wagons an odd look of being out of Balance. But I even found a Prototype for that, all be it in Spain.

Whilst the Bachman Thomas Wagons are as British Rail looking as you will find, their size on NG Wheels is all wrong. They are though perfect for Gauge 3.
JonD

 

[SevenOfDiamonds]

The only thing that offended me was the difference from the Wheels to the Bufer at opposing ends which gives the Wagons an odd look of being out of Balance.

Ah! the "asymmetric" axleboxes of the ToyTrain wagons!

Garden Railway Specialists use to sell "combo kits". They no longer sell them but you can use the same approach yourself. Take two Lehmann ToyTrain wagons, Remove the bodies. Cut both chassis into two uneven "halves" (in a particular way). Marry up the two "shorter" (non-brake platform) chassis ends underneath the original gondola body (axleboxes are now symmetrical!) and, with no brake platform, having a much more "British" look. Marry up the the two "longer" (brake platform) chassis ends (axleboxes are now symmetrical!). For this longer chassis, GRS used to supply one of their Box Van or Cattle Wagon body kits (seemingly discontinued too), but it's quite easy to make one up from scratch, or to make up a flat deck from one-and-a-bit ToyTrain stake wagon bodies. The advantage of this method (as opposed to more simplistic "cut 'n' shut" options) is that the LGB-style couplings, attached to the turning carts (which have two different lengths of coupling bar on ToyTrain wagons), still have all their original "integrity", so work flawlessly.

 

[stockers]

I find the toy train wagons do not track quite as well as the big brother versions and derail slightly more often. By extending the wheelbase i wonder if this might make matters worse?

 

[LGB-Sid]

Thanks for all the answers and Links, I suppose I need to decide how much work I want to put into each wagon to get the look first before I decide which way to go, you can certainly change the look of TT wagons with some work, looking at the Claptowte Railway examples,
Is there an advantage of the swivel bogie ends rather than fixed axles or was this just LGBs way of getting round R1s so every thing runs on them ?

 

[stockers]

If your using R1s, I would go for the swivels. If not, it probably doesn't matter.

 

[playmofire]

You can't go far wrong with a few of these,

http://kentgardenrailways.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_76_103&product_id=525

Especially at the price of 17.50 each, they just need a rub down and repaint, I have a rake sat on my workbench making slow progress

Dan

Especially is one on Ebay there at £59.49, albeit with free postage.

I already have a white one and a green one and my only reservation about them is that there is no fastening mechanism for the sliding doors. However, that can probably be solved fairly easily.

 

[pugwash]

my only reservation about them is that there is no fastening mechanism for the sliding doors. However, that can probably be solved fairly easily.

Yep, and they have been around for ages:

 

[Martino]

I guess it all depends on the look you're trying to create! Are you going for a 3' or metre gauge line, something narrower or indeed a standard gauge image? In the narrower gauges anything goes. 3' or metre is a bit more conventional and standard is very much, well, standard.
My line is supposed to be 3' and I've used accuraft stock but I've also used LGB box vans (all bought via eBay) and I've bashed stock onto LGB chassis which I also got cheaply from eBay.
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[38thfoot]

Mine bashed into HLW underframes and I'm a clueless idiot so it isn't hard

 

[ge_rik]

All my stock is scratchbuilt on HLW chassis, bashed from LGB wagons or kitbuilt (eg IP Engineering). Here's an example of some of the outcomes -

- behind two batteryised Stainz locos (see 1min in)

There's more info about my stock with links to the bashes etc here - http://riksrailway.blogspot.com/2011/07/stock-list.html

I'm with 38th Foot above - if I can do it, anyone can!

Rik

 

[Flying15]

The Thomas wagons are as said essentially gauge 3 running on metre gauge wheels axles !
I've Britishised a number of Bachmann locos and chassis, to produce standard gauge proportion engines running on narrow gauge track
I think the Thomas wagons in this context look fine
It all started with upgrading Bachmanns Emily

 

[dunnyrail]

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The Thomas wagons are as said essentially gauge 3 running on metre gauge wheels axles !
I've Britishised a number of Bachmann locos and chassis, to produce standard gauge proportion engines running on narrow gauge track
I think the Thomas wagons in this context look fine
It all started with upgrading Bachmanns Emily

Not quite sure what that LMS loco is trying to be, but it certainly looks the part almost like a LNER ROD. Very nice, but... As I found with TT Scale And to a lesser degree 00 the front look always (to me I must admit) shouts "I am a Standard Gauge Loco running on Narrow Gauge Track". But of course each to his own, again a lovely job and you do admit to the NG injustices.
JonD