WLLR Acccraft Electric Earl - value?

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I have an Electric version of the Accucraft WLLR Earl which I no longer need as I have steam version too. A friend would like to buy it from me but I have no idea what it is worth now. I bought it about 4 years ago, although it has been run very little. It cost me some in the region of £800/850. Does anyone have any idea of what a fair price for it would be? It is complete with box, packaging and instructions.
 
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I have an Electric version of the Accucraft WLLR Earl which I no longer need as I have steam version too. A friend would like to buy it from me but I have no idea what it is worth now. I bought it about 4 years ago, although it has been run very little. It cost me some in the region of £800/850. Does anyone have any idea of what a fair price for it would be? It is complete with box, packaging and instructions.
In a Shop likely price could be roughly 60% - 75% of the original value with 40-50% being given to the seller. These are fair guidelines that I would expect, a Commission sale would likely be that same 60-70% with roughly 20% taken by the dealer.
 
maxi-model

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Chuffed2Bits had an electric Countess (aka Earl of an different sex) Home, not sure when this was listed- R/C and battery power with Brandbright sound card and Loco Box carrier - £1,350. Take off, say, about £200-£250 for the extras over stock factory supplied article and I think you have got a fix on the market price. I know Mike/C2B has quoted me in the past , if a commission sale, 14% + VAT of an achieved sale price (if you are thinking of giving your friend a discount :) ). Mike is pretty fair on his prices in my experience.

Also, always worth giving Simon Whenmouth at Anything Narrow Gauge a call to get his valuation. Another very fair dealer in my experience and has probably had one or two of the electric W&L Beyer Peacocks through his hands. Max
 
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Chuffed2Bits had an electric Countess (aka Earl of an different sex) Home, not sure when this was listed- R/C and battery power with Brandbright sound card and Loco Box carrier - £1,350. Take off, say, about £200-£250 for the extras over stock factory supplied article and I think you have got a fix on the market price. I know Mike/C2B has quoted me in the past , if a commission sale, 14% + VAT of an achieved sale price (if you are thinking of giving your friend a discount :) ). Mike is pretty fair on his prices in my experience.

Also, always worth giving Simon Whenmouth at Anything Narrow Gauge a call to get his valuation. Another very fair dealer in my experience and has probably had one or two of the electric W&L Beyer Peacocks through his hands. Max
Many thanks Max. That's really helpful.
Cheers!
Keith N.
 
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Worth pretty much what you paid for it in good condition or a bit more as they aren’t common. One that someone else has already run in is an advantage too as they get better as they run in. Mine sold a few years ago, with esu sound, went to Sid on here :)
Someone I know bought one for around £1000 recently and I’ve seen big standard ones at GRS for £1200 without any extras.
Good models that hold their value.
 
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Worth pretty much what you paid for it in good condition or a bit more as they aren’t common. One that someone else has already run in is an advantage too as they get better as they run in. Mine sold a few years ago, with esu sound, went to Sid on here :)
Someone I know bought one for around £1000 recently and I’ve seen big standard ones at GRS for £1200 without any extras.
Good models that hold their value.
That sounds good. I don't really want to part with it and at that price I'm not sure that my friend will want to buy it! Have just bought an LGB Zillertalbahn U Class No.2 to keep up with the WLLR and the domestic authorities says one has to go but I am sure I have room for both. Cheers!
 
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I’ve seen big standard ones at GRS for £1200 without any extras.
Ah yes, GRS. Never knowingly oversold - with apologies to John Lewis Partnership :D

Remember the price you see is a full retail price at the vendor. What you don't see is any possible discount given by them to close the sale and any commision the retailer may have taken on the sale. The final price the loco's owner will get, achieved price, is somewhat less than the offer retail price shown. The seller will make even less, as Jon mentioned, if the loco has been bought direct by the dealer or PX'ed.

Even if you sold on Ebay or via a specialist auction site you still won't get the full offer price as there are fees, 20% -25% to disperse. You could pitch here and not pay any fees. But then some savvy individual may try to knock you down as they know all the above ;) Max
 
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As I said they go for up to £1200 at a dealer as it can include commission etc. £850-1000 I mentioned is more realistic in good condition ;)
Where are you getting 20-25% loss on eBay from though?? 5% PayPal and 10% eBay. Post & packing charges are ‘taxed’ too but you can include that in the post price.
 
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I'm mearly having a llittle chuckle at that well known outlier in the pricing of goods, both new and 2nd hand. As the saying goes, "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay".

You'll have to excuse my %'s quoted regarding Ebay, I'm more used to trading items there in the £30-£200 range and when I factor in listing, premium photo insertions, final value and PayPal fees I factor in 20% of acheived price when benchmarking against other sales channels. I did include auction houses there, where 25% is generally the norm, and the picture can be skewed even more by buyer's premiums being charged that can lead to lower bid prices overall.

Persònally, when selling locos and rolling stock my preference is to sell via a commission arrangement with an established trader. I feel they offer the best value, minimal risk and time involvement over other methods of sale available for these types of higher value garden railway equipment. Max
 
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They do manage to sell it though and I’ve seen it happen in the shop with prices I thought were optimistic ;)
I’ve been the beneficiary too when selling through them achieving more than I would have put it up for. I do like selling on here and bought and sold on even with the same person twice :)
It’s all about markets and I know they have seen a big drop recently which I suspect is more to do with people struggling to afford starting in the G scale hobby to then justify big ticket prices.