Wiring of a Massoth pulsed smoke generator (8415001) in Diesel mode + eMotion XLS

[bruno.degraeve]

Hello friends,

Years ago, I converted my Piko Harzkamel and added an Massoth eMotion XLS. Recently, I wanted to add a pulsed smoke generator and it seems that only the "Pulsed smoker for round boilers (8415001)" is available.

My question: the manual is fully focused on Smoke operated locs, this one is a Diesel. As I don't have a "taktgeber/Hall sensor", I wonder how the wires should be connected. The two black ones are obvious but what about the 3-lead cable. Should it be connected to the Clock IN or Clock Out ?

The documentation is a bit foggy ;-)

thanks, Bruno

 

[The Shed]

Scramble brain cells, corrected the missing bit!

 

[bruno.degraeve]

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thanks The Shed . It looks you recommend to connect the smoke generator to the Clock OUT and not the Clock IN. I was confused connecting it to the Clock OUT as the XLS describes that the Clock 1 connector should be connected to an external pulse generator, something we usually find on the axes. In this case, the smoke generator is to be considered as an external pulse generator ?
Where did you get this drawing from ? In the current manual, it's described but in a slightly different way.

 

[The Shed]

Scrambled brains earlier, the Pulse Generating is taken care off by the CV settings from the decoder.

 

[muns]

hmmm.... It was my understanding that the CLK1 & CLK2 connectors were inputs and that if you wanted to supply an external clock signal you would use A3 to simulate the clock pulse.

 

[The Shed]

muns , quite correct, Flu had scrambled my brain cells earlier, added the missing item and amended the picture

 

[Diesel2000]

Hello friends,

Years ago, I converted my Piko Harzkamel and added an Massoth eMotion XLS. Recently, I wanted to add a pulsed smoke generator and it seems that only the "Pulsed smoker for round boilers (8415001)" is available.

My question: the manual is fully focused on Smoke operated locs, this one is a Diesel. As I don't have a "taktgeber/Hall sensor", I wonder how the wires should be connected. The two black ones are obvious but what about the 3-lead cable. Should it be connected to the Clock IN or Clock Out ?

The documentation is a bit foggy ;-)

thanks, Bruno

The round boiler pulsed smoker has diesel mode selected via CV. You set CV50=0. You just hook the track leads of the smoke unit to the same track inputs to the XLS and address the smoke generator the same address as the XLS, then set the F key you want it to turn on/off. Its actually really simple.

There are also other CV settings to control the smoke volume at various stages of standing/driving. They have their own decoders in them and therefore have a lot of options.

 

[bruno.degraeve]

The round boiler pulsed smoker has diesel mode selected via CV. You set CV50=0. You just hook the track leads of the smoke unit to the same track inputs to the XLS and address the smoke generator the same address as the XLS, then set the F key you want it to turn on/off. Its actually really simple.

There are also other CV settings to control the smoke volume at various stages of standing/driving. They have their own decoders in them and therefore have a lot of options.

Diesel2000 many thanks for describing the setup. I have everything configured as you mentioned. If I understand it correctly, when you run this smoke generator in Diesel operation mode, you only need to connect the 2 black cables to track and adjust only the CV values of the in-built decoder. The 3-lead cable shouldn't be connected. Neither to the Clock IN, neither to the Clock OUT.

 

[bruno.degraeve]

BTW: those that use JMRI, I created a new decoder file for the Massoth pulsed smoke generator (8415001). It has been submitted to github and will be available in one of the following JMRI releases.

 

[Diesel2000]

Diesel2000 many thanks for describing the setup. I have everything configured as you mentioned. If I understand it correctly, when you run this smoke generator in Diesel operation mode, you only need to connect the 2 black cables to track and adjust only the CV values of the in-built decoder. The 3-lead cable shouldn't be connected. Neither to the Clock IN, neither to the Clock OUT.

Yes thats correct, you wont use the 3 pin cable for clock - for diesel you just connect the track power wires. Make sure you program the smoke generator before installing it into the loco. Then make sure to lock the smoke generator so that you can still program the XLS decoder if needed without opening up the loco and disconnecting.

I went as far as to install a small dpdt switch so that I can turn off the connection for the smoke generator depending on the decoder thats installed and how its programmed.

 

[bruno.degraeve]

Yes thats correct, you wont use the 3 pin cable for clock - for diesel you just connect the track power wires. Make sure you program the smoke generator before installing it into the loco. Then make sure to lock the smoke generator so that you can still program the XLS decoder if needed without opening up the loco and disconnecting.

I went as far as to install a small dpdt switch so that I can turn off the connection for the smoke generator depending on the decoder thats installed and how its programmed.

Diesel2000 many thanks for the confirmation. I had the same idea to install a small switch (green one at the left) and also added a potentiometer to manage the sound volume. I changed CV15 of the smoke generator to something else than 162. It's locked. Great support. Hopefully somebody from Massoth reads with us and could add a small paragraph to their existing documentation ;-)