Trainline Point
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bunnyrabbit03
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Hi Gizzy,
I use my Train Line points with TL point motors, so I cannot help you either unfortunately.
I have an indoor layout and are very happy with the point motors. Peter (Whatlep) uses one outdoors, so it might be worth checking with him how he is getting on.
Marc
I use my Train Line points with TL point motors, so I cannot help you either unfortunately.
I have an indoor layout and are very happy with the point motors. Peter (Whatlep) uses one outdoors, so it might be worth checking with him how he is getting on.
Marc
beavercreek
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Hi Giz
This is an interesting one as I have/will be replacing(ed) all the LGB R1 on my quarry line with the Trainline equivalent and I was going to 'drop in' some LGB motors, but that seems to not be the case........... mmmmmmm
This is an interesting one as I have/will be replacing(ed) all the LGB R1 on my quarry line with the Trainline equivalent and I was going to 'drop in' some LGB motors, but that seems to not be the case........... mmmmmmm
bunnyrabbit03
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I read on one of the German fora and I think also in Gartenbahn Profi that you can use LGB point motors on TL points, but obviously Gizzy's attempts seem to indicate that this is not be straightforward.
Anyway, just for reference, TL recommends Teflon spray in case the point motor requires lubrication.
Anyway, just for reference, TL recommends Teflon spray in case the point motor requires lubrication.
Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
Well I've now ordered the TL point motor today from Caroline at Glendale.
An additional requirement is for it to be DCC compatible, as I have used all 4 outputs on my LGB 55025 point decoder for the points at Weybourne, which lives inside the station building.
The TL motor can be either DC or DCC and the point is located quite a way from Weybourne, and therefore it will get its power from the track close by.
I'll update this thread when I've received and installed the new motor....
An additional requirement is for it to be DCC compatible, as I have used all 4 outputs on my LGB 55025 point decoder for the points at Weybourne, which lives inside the station building.
The TL motor can be either DC or DCC and the point is located quite a way from Weybourne, and therefore it will get its power from the track close by.
I'll update this thread when I've received and installed the new motor....
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Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
New motor received, and it's a big brute, about an LGB motor and a half in width!
Looks like my observations about the throw of this motor was correct.
Instructions are only in German; I can do tourist and technical Deutche, so I should be able to get the gist of how to program the CVs. CV 1 is the address, CV 40 the direction 'Stellrichtung', CV46 is 'Stellgeschwindigkeit' which I think is the force or pulse timing and CV 20 is 'Programmiersperre' which I think is what you set to program or to save CV settings.....
Looks like my observations about the throw of this motor was correct.
Instructions are only in German; I can do tourist and technical Deutche, so I should be able to get the gist of how to program the CVs. CV 1 is the address, CV 40 the direction 'Stellrichtung', CV46 is 'Stellgeschwindigkeit' which I think is the force or pulse timing and CV 20 is 'Programmiersperre' which I think is what you set to program or to save CV settings.....
Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
I think I've found what I need on the Train Li USA site....
http://www.train-li-usa.com/store/bprodrivebsuptmsup-dcdcc-p-312.html
Waterproof ProDriveTM DC/DCC by TrainLine45
Invest only once. Sometimes you start out with a smaller layout and are happy to have a DC (analog) drive. Later you catch the railroading fire and you expand and discover the beauty of DCC. You don't have to invest any more. Our new ProDrive DC/DCC is the world's first controller that can operate with basically no change on either type of layout.
This is controlled by the DCC address. DCC address 0 makes the switch operate under DC.
ProDrive DC/DCC is a slow motion switch drive with integrated electronic controller. The features include:
[*]Adjustable motion speed (~1-8 sec) [*]Connection for lit lantern addressable under separate address in DCC. [*]Optional low profile German lantern or high profile RhB lantern [*]Left/Right trigger inputs in DCC mode [*]LGB compatible mounting. [*]Optional SPDT micro switch for external controls [*]Compatible with all DCC systems (Zimo, MTS, Massoth, ...)
http://www.train-li-usa.com/store/bprodrivebsuptmsup-dcdcc-p-312.html
Waterproof ProDriveTM DC/DCC by TrainLine45
Invest only once. Sometimes you start out with a smaller layout and are happy to have a DC (analog) drive. Later you catch the railroading fire and you expand and discover the beauty of DCC. You don't have to invest any more. Our new ProDrive DC/DCC is the world's first controller that can operate with basically no change on either type of layout.
This is controlled by the DCC address. DCC address 0 makes the switch operate under DC.
ProDrive DC/DCC is a slow motion switch drive with integrated electronic controller. The features include:
[*]Adjustable motion speed (~1-8 sec) [*]Connection for lit lantern addressable under separate address in DCC. [*]Optional low profile German lantern or high profile RhB lantern [*]Left/Right trigger inputs in DCC mode [*]LGB compatible mounting. [*]Optional SPDT micro switch for external controls [*]Compatible with all DCC systems (Zimo, MTS, Massoth, ...)
bunnyrabbit03
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Hi Gizzy,
'Stellgeschwindigkeit' allows you to adjust how slow or how fast you would like the point to switch; 'Programmiersperre' when set prevents you from changing CVs (except CV 20) through accident, i.e. through Programming on the Main.
Marc
'Stellgeschwindigkeit' allows you to adjust how slow or how fast you would like the point to switch; 'Programmiersperre' when set prevents you from changing CVs (except CV 20) through accident, i.e. through Programming on the Main.
Marc
whatlep
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Gizzy - CV20 blocks/unblocks programming of all CVs. DO NOT attach the motor to a DCC track until you have programmed it! Have a shufti at my review which contains CV setting advice here: http://www.gardenrailwayclub.com/track/train-line-45-point-motor---product-review-july-2011Gizzy said:
Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
Thanks for the advice Mark and Peter.
I won't be programing it until next week. I am going to solder wires onto the 'terminals' and then heatshrink them at Wattisham works next week, then I'll use my MTS 6.0 software and LGB 55045 Programmer to change the CVs as required....
I won't be programing it until next week. I am going to solder wires onto the 'terminals' and then heatshrink them at Wattisham works next week, then I'll use my MTS 6.0 software and LGB 55045 Programmer to change the CVs as required....
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Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
Following on from my last post, I've now soldered the wires on to the terminals and also put some heatshrink on the soldered ends to protect them from the elements. I've used some aircraft grade mastic to fill up the holes, although this is 'belts and braces' and probably not required.
I've also programmed the TL point using Peter's link as a guide, although I used my lappy with MTS 6.0 software and the LGB 55045 Programmer;
CV1 is set to 4 (Motor Address)
CV40 set to 4 (Motor attached to straight road of point)
CV46 set to 12 (Motor Speed Default = 3 seconds)
CV20 set to 1 (CVs now locked/write protected)
Next job will be to install it on the point itself and test, hopefully tomorrow morning....
I've also programmed the TL point using Peter's link as a guide, although I used my lappy with MTS 6.0 software and the LGB 55045 Programmer;
CV1 is set to 4 (Motor Address)
CV40 set to 4 (Motor attached to straight road of point)
CV46 set to 12 (Motor Speed Default = 3 seconds)
CV20 set to 1 (CVs now locked/write protected)
Next job will be to install it on the point itself and test, hopefully tomorrow morning....
bunnyrabbit03
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Thanks for the update, happy testing 
steve parberry
G Scale Trains
Intresting that one, i have several TL points all fitted with LGB motors with no issues... but will check to see if its just luck or that they do full through... I do note that you are using an old type LGB motor and all mine are the newer type though:wits::wits:
Have just checked and all seem to go fully over using the newer LGB switch drives
Have just checked and all seem to go fully over using the newer LGB switch drives
Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
Wey hey, the new motor has been installed this morning and it's working great!
It has a nice slow action, taking about 3 secs to change, very similar to the point motor I have fitted to Hardyard, instead of the clunk of the LGB motors. The longer throw was no problem, working 'straight from the packet', and I did not have to jiggle the mechanism as you sometimes have to with the LGB rack and pinion motor to get the throw working correctly.
At £36 each for a ruggedised digital motor, I reckon these are good value when compared to the cost of an LGB motor with a 55024 decoder. In fact, I am considering purchasing another to fit to a LGB R1 point at the back of the pond (Quarry Lake) where any motor may get splashed by the fountain from time to time.
My only reservation is the size of these brutes. One thing is that you can't fit these on a pair of points installed 'toe to toe', unless you offset them. you will see on the pix that I have had to repostion the adjacent R1 point manual lever to the curved road. But that is a minor consideration that I can live with.
So my next question for you? Has anyone fitted the TL motor to a LGB (R1) point yet....
It has a nice slow action, taking about 3 secs to change, very similar to the point motor I have fitted to Hardyard, instead of the clunk of the LGB motors. The longer throw was no problem, working 'straight from the packet', and I did not have to jiggle the mechanism as you sometimes have to with the LGB rack and pinion motor to get the throw working correctly.
At £36 each for a ruggedised digital motor, I reckon these are good value when compared to the cost of an LGB motor with a 55024 decoder. In fact, I am considering purchasing another to fit to a LGB R1 point at the back of the pond (Quarry Lake) where any motor may get splashed by the fountain from time to time.
My only reservation is the size of these brutes. One thing is that you can't fit these on a pair of points installed 'toe to toe', unless you offset them. you will see on the pix that I have had to repostion the adjacent R1 point manual lever to the curved road. But that is a minor consideration that I can live with.
So my next question for you? Has anyone fitted the TL motor to a LGB (R1) point yet....
bunnyrabbit03
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Gizzy said:Wey hey, the new motor has been installed this morning and it's working great!
It has a nice slow action, taking about 3 secs to change, very similar to the point motor I have fitted to Hardyard, instead of the clunk of the LGB motors. The longer throw was no problem, working 'straight from the packet', and I did not have to jiggle the mechanism as you sometimes have to with the LGB rack and pinion motor to get the throw working correctly.
At £36 each for a ruggedised digital motor, I reckon these are good value when compared to the cost of an LGB motor with a 55024 decoder. In fact, I am considering purchasing another to fit to a LGB R1 point at the back of the pond (Quarry Lake) where any motor may get splashed by the fountain from time to time.
My only reservation is the size of these brutes. One thing is that you can't fit these on a pair of points installed 'toe to toe', unless you offset them. you will see on the pix that I have had to repostion the adjacent R1 point manual lever to the curved road. But that is a minor consideration that I can live with.
So my next question for you? Has anyone fitted the TL motor to a LGB (R1) point yet....
Hi Gizzy,
A very useful update, thanks.
Yes, two of my TL point motors are fitted to LGB R1 points - no problems at all, they worked straight from the box (well, the bag...).
Marc