Trainline Point

Gizzy

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I recently obtained an R2 Trainline point thanks to Garrett on the forum.

I wanted R2 as the point has been fitted on an R2 curve at Quarry Junction, as shown below....

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I took some pix so you can compare to other points.

From left to right, an LGB R3 point on the layout, the Trainline R2 point on the path, and an LGB R1 next to it....

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Underneath it is very similar to the LGB product, but uses wires instead of bus bars.

The wiring for the blades though, is quite thin, I expect for flexibility, and is something I will monitor....

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The fishplates are quite short, but work well enough.

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They can be easily removed as they are screwed on, should you want to fit rail clamps....

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If required, the metal frog can be wired up similar to a live frog point, and you can purchase this complete with a motor/swicth assembly ready wired for DC or DCC operation.

I may do this using an LGB Type 2 switch later....

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One thing to note is that is seems to be a slightly larger radii to LGB R2 and the curved road is a shorter length than a standard LGB R2 curve....

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I laid the point with the toe at the start of the R2 curve.

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I had an offcut of flexi track exactly the right length for the straight road of 160 mm (4 sleepers), and I cut a piece of a R2 re-radiused LGB R1 curve of 60-65 mm (2 sleepers) that i had in the shed. The straight route is connected with Massoth Insulating Joiners and will eventually be wired to an LGB Reversing Module.

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So now Quarry Junction is now back to its previous triangular format, and a useful diversion route can be taken to Weybourne.
 
Gizzy

I'll be interested to hear how the point performs in practice: when I last started a thread on this months ago, one member reported that the skates on LGB power units shorted on the TL frogs. Otherwise, I would have gone out and bought a (modest) load of these as part of my current engineering upgrade (R1 replaced by R3), although I note what is said about the geometry differences between LGB and TL.
GH
 
pghewett said:
Gizzy

I'll be interested to hear how the point performs in practice: when I last started a thread on this months ago, one member reported that the skates on LGB power units shorted on the TL frogs. Otherwise, I would have gone out and bought a (modest) load of these as part of my current engineering upgrade (R1 replaced by R3), although I note what is said about the geometry differences between LGB and TL.
GH
I tested the point's curved road with my Wizzy Cranks Bo-Bo, and it was fine, although as I mentioned, I haven't powered the frog.

Didn't get time to test with the V51/V52 locos or any of my 0-4-0 locos this morning.

The LGB point motor that I fitted has yet to be connected, as has the power for the straight chord. This will be the next phase of the chord's re-instatement.

Although the blade wiring is quite thin, there are also some brass contact/rubbing strips at the toe end which will also help to conduct current. Should be more than ample for the 24V 5A power from the MTS Central Station though.

I will certainly keep folk posted on how this point performs, but the build quality seems to be identical to the LGB products, and I don't forsee any problems in normal use....
 
Gizzy said:
Underneath it is very similar to the LGB product, but used wires instead of bus bars.

The wiring for the blades though, is quite thin, I expect for flexibility, and is something I will monitor....

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This is the original design of the Train Line points. The newer ones have metal strips rather than wiring - the same as LGB - and the strips are screwed in (LGB's are spot welded).
 
pghewett said:
Gizzy

I'll be interested to hear how the point performs in practice: when I last started a thread on this months ago, one member reported that the skates on LGB power units shorted on the TL frogs. Otherwise, I would have gone out and bought a (modest) load of these as part of my current engineering upgrade (R1 replaced by R3), although I note what is said about the geometry differences between LGB and TL.
GH
no problems here. the trainline point here is the latest version, ie, metal bars/screws and has provied 7 months faultless service, something the piko point failled top do, haveing a ll 6 points fail over 2 months form brand new..
 
So I have a really rare, original TL point?

Must be very valuable then.... :laugh:
 
My Dad has a late type TrainLine point and two screws have snapped. The plastic sleepers are not rigid enough and this one had a pronounced upward arc. Screwing the point down to make it lie flat snapped the screws. Not very robust screws then and a temporary layout would be like a switchback with all those arched back points and crossings.
 
Thanks, Vasim, for the warning. My track is laid "floating" on the ballast, so I think I'll begin with buying just one set to start with and subjecting it to the elephant test. (Mind you, I find that on some of the older LGB points (say, 15-20 years old) the chairs at the outer ends of the track section tend to break , letting the blade of the point sag under pressure; this seems to be a reflexion of the quality of the plastic used and the effect of exposure to sunlight).

Graham H
 
The TL45 diamond crossings are the worst. There isn't any meat in the centre area to stop them bending. If you want a crossing to "float" on the ballast, I would screw it to a piece of decking (or something similar) first.
 
A question for those of you with TL points?

I've fitted an LGB motor to mine. It seems it was a drop in replacement, but on checking today, I can't get the motor to throw the tie bar as far as it should do.

Looking at the toe of the blades, they seem much closer together than the LGB ones.

The photo shows the LGB on the left and the TL on the right.

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I've tried repositioning the rack bar on the pinion inside the motor, but I can quite get the full throw required.

So do I need a TL motor for this point, or have others successfully fitted LGB ones?

Your comments are invited....
 
Following my last post, I've today been able to inspect a new TL point, out of the box.

As mentioned by Bunny (Mark), the newer version has bus bars instead of wiring.

I was able to compare the new point with the one on my layout, and it has the same issue with the point blades being closer together than the LGB point. I may have to make inquiries at Glendale about a TL point motor for it, as the LGB one doesn't have the throw to operate it correctly....
 
Original TL R2 R/H point in these two piccies (you should just make it out beneath the loco's).

2½ years service - no problems. Think I did a brief review but it was on GSM.

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3Valve said:
Original TL R2 R/H point in these two piccies (you should just make it out beneath the loco's).

2½ years service - no problems. Think I did a brief review but it was on GSM.

Gareth, do you have TL motors on those points or LGB ones....
 
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