The ubiquitous Stainz

Round&Round - 10/12/2009 12:49 AM
Does the printing, date the Model in in any way. (Model No:2020)
Thanks
I have yet to see any LGB model with these dates in the future. Therefore I think it fair to say the printing for that model was first designed no earlier than the date on it. If so the model would have been made any time from a few months to a fair few years later.
 
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Neil Robinson - 10/12/2009 9:02 AM
Round&Round - 10/12/2009 12:49 AM Does the printing, date the Model in in any way. (Model No:2020) Thanks
I have yet to see any LGB model with these dates in the future. Therefore I think it fair to say the printing for that model was first designed no earlier than the date on it. If so the model would have been made any time from a few months to a fair few years later.
</p><p>Thank you, Neil, for your reply. Trevor.</p>
 
NEWs- the Alistair creeks own modified stainz pauly is going in for a complete overhaul so main part are being stripped for paint.............

-The running gear is going to be updated completely to walshaerts valve gear.
-New pistons and piston rods

and a new livery of apple green to match the LNER B12.................(oops i shouldnt have said that ::) )


the loco is stripped of fittings and look like the way i bought it off a plinth years ago

i shall photograph it soon
 
Stainzmeister said:
Krauss made a total of six locos of this particular variant, two for the SalzKammerGutLokalBahn (SKGLB) around Mondsee, and four to serve on the SteierMaerkischeLandesBahn (StLB)around Mauterndorf, Tamsweg, Stainz and Wieseldorf.
The Austrian classification of this type of 0-4-0 Well Tank loco was Bt-n2.
The names of the four locos that served on the StLB were
1. Meran 2. Stainz 3. Gonobitz (Now known as “K3”) 4. Heiligengeist
Stainz survives today and is preserved by “Club 760” .

The model
When LGB made the Stainz and opted for 45mm gauge, the scale of the model is approximately 1:19, However, if that were accurate, the gauge would be 40mm.
Nonetheless, LGB had a way of making all their stock look “right” even though some items are not true representations of the real thing.
If you study photos of Stainz 2 pre 1956 (When it was rebuilt with Heissdampf – superheated Boiler and extended coal bunkers) there are a number of anomalies when you compare them to the model.
Stainz 2 did not have an extended well tank filler pipe with funnel, and one coal bunker was higher than the other.
However, if you look at photos of the locos that served on the SKGLB, with the exception of the
Shaped cab back the loco was the same.
The loco that is now preserved by Club 760 has the extended bunkers and superheated boiler as previously stated, so the LGB model does not represent the present day loco either.
So, in summary, the Stainz 2 loco that is sold with the starter sets is a compromise of the two types.

The 1968 release did not have the pick up skates and traction tyre of today’s model and the motor was placed behind the rear axle under the cab floor.
This early model had a characteristic sound when running and has affectionately become known as “Growler”. These first models also had smaller front and rear lamps – which further echoed the real locos that ran on the SKGLB.
A couple of years later, and the model was now equipped with pick up skates and a traction tyre to improve the running qualities.

Up until the early nineties, the models had “split gearbox” assemblies – something which made maintenance more time consuming, but since then they have been fitted with the “D” gearbox, which can be accessed from above or below.

A tough customer.
The LGB Stainz loco is fabled for its reliability.
The proprietor of a certain model shop in Shaw near Oldham had a Stainz loco running in his shop window. It ran for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for 5 years before it needed a new motor.
This particular loco now has pride of place on his mantelpiece !
A Friend of mine from G Scale Mad gave me his Stainz loco. He had had it since the mid nineties and had left it outside for 2 years – forgotten.
I stripped it down to fit a decoder, plus a new smoke unit………it ran good as new, as smooth as silk.
I also understand that someone in the UK ran the loco continuously for 24 hours a day, for several weeks before the loco stopped and needed attention.

Build Quality.
I have a few of these locos, and run my garden railway on LGB Digital control (MTS).
This means, that with two exceptions, I have had to fit decoders to my Stainz locos – with the exception of the 1968 Growler – which runs on 14 volts maximum.
Anyone who has done this will know how well put together this model is – understandably, as many starter sets are used by youngsters, who perhaps aren’t as careful as they might be.
The first time I “chipped” one it took me well over a hour – as a mere novice in decoder installation at the time.
Since then, I have chipped many a Stainz for myself and fellow members of G Scale Mad and can now chip one in around 12 minutes flat ready to run.

Variants
LGB have made many variants of the Stainz loco in the 40 years since the first one rolled off the production line.
The original with the straight funnel resembled the number 2 loco on the SKGLB.
Later LGB produced a replica of “Stainz 2” (pre superheating) complete with red lining on the cab.
In the early nineties LGB produced a replica of K3 which is now preserved in a museum.
The K3 replica was not entirely accurate as the driving wheels on the prototype were spoked and smaller than that of the model. The K3 was one of the first Stainz variants to have a “D” gearbox.
In the late nineties, LGB again made another replica of the “Stainz 2”, this type with the later “D” gearbox and more up to date electronics internally.
Many other variants have been made including those in association with other companies in Germany, for example, “Schweiger” , “Garpa” and “Steiff Bears”.
The later locos were available with blue or red cabs, a “Steiff” bear with decoder fitted at the factory for digital control.
Dozens of Stainz locos have been sold in starter sets, many in different liveries to the familiar green cab, black boiler and red chassis and driving wheels.
Over 1 million have been produced.
Hi, I am new to MTS running, and have a Stainz, part of my original starter kit, which I is now fitted with a decoder, it has the address Number 2, and as I already have a Spremberger with that address (number 2) I want to change one of them. And reading of your ability to chip Stainz locos, you must be able to change addresses if needed. Simple question, - How do I do it? If the answer is too long for this thread, perhaps you could email me at chappy.most2@ntlworld.com.
 
tac said:
mikka said:
NEWs- the Alistair creeks own modified stainz pauly is going in for a complete overhaul so main part are being stripped for paint.............

-The running gear is going to be updated completely to walshaerts valve gear.
-New pistons and piston rods

and a new livery of apple green to match the LNER B12.................(oops i shouldnt have said that ::) )


the loco is stripped of fittings and look like the way i bought it off a plinth years ago

i shall photograph it soon


Dear Mikka - do you meant that you are going to re-design the valve gear? The REAL SKGLB loco had Allen straight link valve gear, the first LGB Stainz - with metal rods, had a kind of Walschaert gear, and the later Stainz with plastic rods has/had Stephenson eccentric-style valve gear much more like the original real loco - at least, mine has.

It will be interesting to see a real Baker/Heusinger valve gear applied to an ancient cylinder design like this one - are you going to use the more modern 0-4-0 tank loco 21761as a basis for the conversion?

Looking forward to seeing your work.

tac
http://www.ovgrs.org/ < Link To www.ovgrs.org


Sorry tac change of plans....

i reused a hacked don set of big hauler pistons and piston rods on it....

and my locomotive is mix match and you can see it earlier in the posts......


Oh i did buy a Stainz on ebay for $120 regular one too :D
 
here is the picture tac

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[big picture inserted by Mod who wanted to see it!]
 
That's a very cunning conversion Mikka. Like that a lot! :thumbup:
 
Round&Round said:
One of my green Stainz No:2 has 'Letzte HU. 10.2.76' printed in white on the red section back and front.

I have been told it stands for "Letzte Hauptuntersuchung", or last major inspection, which was apparently undertaken on 10 February 1976. Such key events were usually recorded in paint on Austrian locomotives.

Does the printing, date the Model in in any way. (Model No:2020)

I am interested because this was from my brothers collection, which I inherited.
I would be interested how far back it was produced. I know he had it in the mid 80's. The price on the Box is £86.

Thanks

1983. Prior models, no markings, later in 1983, the date was changed to 26.6.79. I have a brown cab 2010 with the same red chassis.

26 June is my birthday BTW.....
 
Thanks guys :D


the model is in dark green

and has more detail and new valve gear
 
Mikka, looks as if you have a Bachmann headlamp, LGB 2017 boiler by the steam dome, and Stainz cab.

Good use of items there!
 
Stainzmeister said:
nimbus said:
Hi, I am new to MTS running, and have a Stainz, part of my original starter kit, which I is now fitted with a decoder, it has the address Number 2, and as I already have a Spremberger with that address (number 2) I want to change one of them. And reading of your ability to chip Stainz locos, you must be able to change addresses if needed. Simple question, - How do I do it?

Hmm................depends on the equipment you have to hand............
Thanks for reply, I have copied this into a word doc. so that I won`t lose it. However I have a Loco remote, and I found the user handbook, and in it there is a section on changing the address of a loco, after a little hesitation I took the plunge and did it, and it did "what it said on the tin", and worked ok. I was quite "chuffed". Many thanks for taking the time to answer my query.
Nimbus.

If you have an LGB55015p universal remote, you can use the programming insert that clips into the handset and wires up to a separate programming piece of track with a 24 volt power supply. Set it up - yellow and green wires to the transformer, brown and white wires to each rail of the programming track. Power on, loco on track
Programme like this :
The display shows C--
Input the CV number - "01"
The display now shows d -
Input the address number you want, eg "06"
The dispaly now shows d5
Save the changes by pressing right arrow shaped key on the handset.

Job done..............
 
Some paint and a few bits and pieces improve every Stainz


KlnStainz11-1.jpg


This one comes from Christian Hoehne' s workshop. I think, he used an airbrush

Sometimes a set of different windows (Reppingen brass kit) gives your Stainz a completly different look:

Merapi11.jpg


The hand bell beside the cabin window is a very common sight on Austrian or German locos.

My neighbour chopped a Stainz up a few years ago, to make it longer

Wilh.jpg






Or you simply built a brass box around it (Reppingen Kit) and get a Chiemsee locomotive


Chiemaussen11.jpg



At the Zillertalbahn they had a longer Krauss loco which looks somehow like this:


KraussStainz11.jpg


Note, the windows are simply made from copper washers or O-Rings, which I found at the garage. One of my very early attempts working with a Stainz.


Even this freelance Forney was a Stainz in an earlier live:


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So if they are offering Stainzes again now, get your fretsaw and brushes out.
Built your personal Stainz. They scale out to approx 1 : 18/19 sale, so even the 16mm scale folks will be happy with them.

Have Fun

Juergen / Otter 1
 
Just in case somebody is interested, how the chopped up Stainz from above looked after it was finished:

Rgenzug21.jpg


The wagons are Ruegen-Bahn Laser-Kits in 1 : 22,5 scale

Have Fun

Juergen / Otter 1
 
Gonobitz/K3:

 

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