stainz on peco sl800 code 200 rail?
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MRail
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LGB flanges are generally 3mm.
I have converted a Stainz to 32mm on Peco code 250 rails. *edit - I mean code 200 *
It definitely bumped along the chairs, as does other converted stock.
You will need to reduce the flange depth by about 0.5mm
Also, a problem may occur with flange root thickness, making the wheels tight to gauge using std btb setting.
This is if you're using 32mm gauge.
If your code (250) 200 is to 45 gauge, then there may not a gauge/BTB problem, just the flange depth.
Reducing the flanges is best done in a lathe, but I have done a few using a lecky drill in a vice, and hand-held file.
I have converted a Stainz to 32mm on Peco code 250 rails. *edit - I mean code 200 *
It definitely bumped along the chairs, as does other converted stock.
You will need to reduce the flange depth by about 0.5mm
Also, a problem may occur with flange root thickness, making the wheels tight to gauge using std btb setting.
This is if you're using 32mm gauge.
If your code (250) 200 is to 45 gauge, then there may not a gauge/BTB problem, just the flange depth.
Reducing the flanges is best done in a lathe, but I have done a few using a lecky drill in a vice, and hand-held file.
Granitechops
Narrow Gauge 1/12th scale on 45mm</br>Quarrying &
Well now, I run 3 stainz , 2 as a garratt & one singly all on Peco G45 track, which IIRC, is code 250, no probs
even when they throw a traction tyre
Rob, what sleepers/ chairs do you use that they bump on??
even when they throw a traction tyre
Rob, what sleepers/ chairs do you use that they bump on??
bobg
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I've measured an older set of LGB, plastic wheels, with a vernier (they're 'very near' you know! 
) and the result was 30.5mm over the tread and 36.5 over the flanges. Which I reckon is 3mm flanges. Peco G-45 (code 250) gives 4mm clearance to the chairs, so no problem. Code 200 rail is 1.5mm lower, so I believe would cause the flanges to bump (by about 0.5mm), assuming the chairs are roughly the same. There may also be a problem in pointwork especially with the frog (crossing nose) where the groove may not be deep enough to miss the flange.
I hope this helps.
) and the result was 30.5mm over the tread and 36.5 over the flanges. Which I reckon is 3mm flanges. Peco G-45 (code 250) gives 4mm clearance to the chairs, so no problem. Code 200 rail is 1.5mm lower, so I believe would cause the flanges to bump (by about 0.5mm), assuming the chairs are roughly the same. There may also be a problem in pointwork especially with the frog (crossing nose) where the groove may not be deep enough to miss the flange.I hope this helps.
Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
bobg said:I've measured an older set of LGB, plastic wheels, with a vernier (they're 'very near' you know!
Nice to know my Mk1 eyeballs are still in calibration, despite having astigmatism and being long sighted....
mmts
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I beg to differ........Glengrant said:
My LGB Cargo , v51/52 & rolling stock & Ryan's LGB Shoelma 'n' passenger coaches ALL run on tenmille gauge one rails and points without any jumping on the chairs!!! (All have unmolested LGB wheel sets
)And can be seen in the video (onboard shots from 1.40ish via i-phone so not the best footage .........)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccJH8odwo4w
MRail
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Looks good, but the original question related to Peco G1 track.
I'm not sure if Tenmille is a deeper rail section.
EDIT:-
Nope, just checked, they are the same depth.
But... Tenmille rail is bullhead, while Peco is "semi flat bottom" .
This means different chairs/fixings.
Tenmille do mention a flat bottom rail, code 215, marginally deeper than Peco code 200.
I'm not sure if Tenmille is a deeper rail section.
EDIT:-
Nope, just checked, they are the same depth.
But... Tenmille rail is bullhead, while Peco is "semi flat bottom" .
This means different chairs/fixings.
Tenmille do mention a flat bottom rail, code 215, marginally deeper than Peco code 200.
Just joined today, and my first chance to post!
Half my layout is peco gauge1 SL800 flextrack, that I believe is code 200 rail.
The chairs are 3.1mm from the rail surface, and my LGB stock rides around no problem without modification. I do have a stainz, that is definitely fine.
I bought a couple of bachman big hauler wagons cheaply, and they climbed the track at one bend where the gauge is tight, so a little gauge reduction on the wheelsets and they are fine.
(I wish I'd made it all from LGB when the track was just about affordable, I need 55 feet @ approx £10 a foot to replace it now)
Half my layout is peco gauge1 SL800 flextrack, that I believe is code 200 rail.
The chairs are 3.1mm from the rail surface, and my LGB stock rides around no problem without modification. I do have a stainz, that is definitely fine.
I bought a couple of bachman big hauler wagons cheaply, and they climbed the track at one bend where the gauge is tight, so a little gauge reduction on the wheelsets and they are fine.
(I wish I'd made it all from LGB when the track was just about affordable, I need 55 feet @ approx £10 a foot to replace it now)
Maybe a little tangential but as I dabble in both G and 1:32 Gauge 1....
My mid '90s Stainz (3mm flange depth) will run on Cliff Barker Gauge 1 finescale track with Code 180 stainless rail no problems.
The main issues for any potential G scale user would be that the sleepers are for mainline G1 as against G scale and there are no set track items or small radius points.
Main bonus is that using stainless rail is a lot more cost effective and arguably harder wearing than brass rail.
Cliff also does gauge widened 45.5mm track for that little extra clearance on curves.
The gauge widened track has an ABS sleeper base so you can add check rails etc using extra chairs 'stuck' in place.
My mid '90s Stainz (3mm flange depth) will run on Cliff Barker Gauge 1 finescale track with Code 180 stainless rail no problems.
The main issues for any potential G scale user would be that the sleepers are for mainline G1 as against G scale and there are no set track items or small radius points.
Main bonus is that using stainless rail is a lot more cost effective and arguably harder wearing than brass rail.
Cliff also does gauge widened 45.5mm track for that little extra clearance on curves.
The gauge widened track has an ABS sleeper base so you can add check rails etc using extra chairs 'stuck' in place.
hagen
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I do not have a Stainz, but all my LGB, Bachmann, Aristocraft items run fine on Peco #1 track. The only place where I get "bumps" is on Peco's #1 switches. And it's not like you will get a derailment either, the flange just barely touches the moulded spike heads making for a rumble effect. No big deal. Atleast for me.