Stainz battery w/ picture guide

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OK! I´ve got a LGB Stainz from a starter set, you know the one with smoke, sound and lightning unit! I´m rebuilding it for R/C use and was looking around for guides and there are some out there...but few with pictures...
New to this hobby as I am, why not go for a thread that is really IKEA!

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I´m going to use the socket on the back on the locomotive (just pull it right out) and place all the RC equipment inside the loco. It´s perhaps not going to be as nice looking as if I would use a tender but I´m doing it anyway, as a first step...

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What needs doing is taking away the pickup skates and the wheel brushes. The Stainz have both.
OK, here we go:

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Six screws needs to be taken away. Front screws:

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Back screws that can be a little bit fiddly due to the couplings:

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...and the side screws that holds a plastic thing that you can see at the lower picture:

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Carefully pull it out from the upper body. Then turn it all around upside down, grab the wheels and carefully pull it apart! If you shake it carefully the upper body will go of more easily. Some guides says that one should have the loco on a flat surface and just pull the upper but I found it to be easier if holding it upside down. Watch out for the plastic "thing" that I mentioned before! I bend it some and turn it downwards so that it would not get stuck in the upper body when pulling apart.

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Now it should look like this, when You uncoupled the plug that holds the wires between pickup, motor (in the chassis) and the electronics in the upper halves.

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Here´s a closeup on the plug socket:

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Now You should have six screws:

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Let´s take it apart! Unscrew the four screws on the bottom of the chassis. It should look like this:

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When I did it I took apart the upper lid aswell and it looked like this:

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I´m not sure one needs to do this in order to take of the lower lid/bottom.
The next step is to take away this:

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I picked out the brass plates that holds the pickup skates and carefully lifted the wheels to pull out the brushes:

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I then had these things on my table:

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I put back the long metal pins that transports the electricity from the skates and brushes to the socket. This for securing the plug properly. You can probably leave this out...

No I just put it all back together again and bam! Five minutes of work and the Stainz is out of power! :)

PS.Sorry for my sometimes bad english. I´m a viking!

Update 130409:

Now to the electronics!

I´ve ordered some R/C stuff on the web:

HobbyKing HK6S 2.4Ghz FHSS 6Ch Tx & Rx (Mode 2) $28,48


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On the Ebay I found the speed controller for $38,98 that is good for forward and reverse + accepts lipo 3S (11,1v). This was kind of hard to find item when most of the modern speed controllers (ESC) are for brushless motors...

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Ordered some different sizes of Lipo batteries 11,1v for about $4-5 a piecs.
I have no idea if these are going to fit inside a LGB Stainz. If not I can for sure, use them in upcoming R/C conversions. Everybody knows that one loco will not be enough, right?!!

Ohh, by the way, about Lipo batteries! The don´t tolerate to be discharged! I will use a Lipo Warner. I will get one from my own store, where we sell airsoft equipment, but I´m sure You can find this in a hobby store as well. It´s a small piece that makes several "biiips" when Your closing in on the lowest acceptable voltage per cell. One connects it to the balance plug on the lipo.
http://malmoairsoft.se/uploads/thumbnails/329ade6648986d5af49c8569066a0fb797095910_250x250.jpg
An other thing to be aware of is the fact that these batteries catch fire quickly if physically defect or shortcut. No worries! Just don´t put a Lipo on charge and leave home to get milk at the supermarket! Put it in a pot while charging or use a fire resistant lipobag.

Bought some male and female plugs from https://www.champex-linden.de/cl_produkte.htm to fit the socket on the back of the Stainz.

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Update 130423

I got the speed controller unit. It does fit in the cab but there not much room for the rest of the stuff! It actually fits perfectly through the window without the driver! The problem will be the cables! Had a look at a different solution. If one is to use a speed controller without reverse one could find a much smaller unit:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9090__Turnigy_20A_BRUSHED_ESC.html
This one is very small takes lipos!

This is the schematics:
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So there are two possibilities: one is to use a esc with forward and reverse or use a esc without reverse and add a micro switch and a servo to reverse polarity.
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Welcome to the forum!

You've written a nice guide about stripping a Stainz chassis there....
 

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Nice guide.
Best yet on how to remove the body from the motor block.
Having four connectors at the motor block means they are easily isolated electrically from the track.
The skates create very minimal drag, so why did you actually remove them and the wire plumbing? Unfortunately it is very easy for a novice to get the gearing out of quarter when they reassemble it.
 

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Friends, there is more to come in this thread!

I'm waiting for the RC equipment to land!

You have a point that one could leave the brushes and skates if one would cut the incoming wire or metal thread somewhere. I just thought it was easier removing. The gears are almost impossible to get wrong due to the fact that the wheels are hold togheter by the metall parts ( sorry dont know the correct term) on the outside of the wheels. The one that moves horizontal with the wheels. If one pair of wheels stays in the seating and one carefully lifts the other pair, there should be no worries :)
 

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I followed exactly the same procedure with all my locos a Stainz, an LGB Tank Engine, an LGB side rod diesel and an old MDC Hustler. I had no trouble whatsoever with this method. All my R/C conversions went as smooth as silk.
Removing all the track power pick ups and connecting directly to the motor can eliminate any wiring error risks.
When doing any modification removal of redundant components is the norm as there is less room for error if the components are not present.
 

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halifax100 said:
You have a point that one could leave the brushes and skates if one would cut the incoming wire or metal thread somewhere. I just thought it was easier removing. The gears are almost impossible to get wrong due to the fact that the wheels are hold togheter by the metall parts ( sorry dont know the correct term) on the outside of the wheels. The one that moves horizontal with the wheels.

We simply call those parts the "coupling rods" Henrik. (I have also heard them called side rods).

But you would be surprised how many still get the quartering out by one tooth!
 

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Less room for error is the way to go! I will put it in my text at the top of this thread! Thanks GAP! I will try to still use the original smoke, light and sound unit. If I plug in the power like this and don´t remove the other electronics I think it will work...right?!!

Doctor M...what can I say :clap: From now on coupling rods, is my middle name! I just presume it is correct because the wheels are spinning and the motor gear when I turn the wheels...
 

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It worked on mine - I removed the skates and pickups, left the lighting, smoke and sound alone, and used the accessory socket with all the batteries and RC in the tender
there isn't much room in the Stainz

http://www.gscalecentral.net/Stainz-battery-conversion-m261564

your pics are very clear
 

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with removing everything to make certain there is no connection to the track.
That the loco motor block has four terminal pins guarantees that the circuit is broken. It has to be so that a DCC decoder can be installed. One pair is to the motor. The other pair is from the track. You can simply use a continuity tester to determine which pair is which.
 

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Removing the pick ups does make a BIG difference. This has been proven both on my railway and Peter's Ruritania in terms of haulage capabilities and battery life. Before the removal of both the skates and bullets, my LGB diesel Kof would not pull more than a couple of wagons. Now it's performance is amazing for it's size. Peter's wizzy crank diesels really struggled to climb his incline until the skates were removed.

I always give the example of riding a bicycle with your feet dragging on the ground and the brake blocks binding. Plus it gives the added piece of mind that there will be no issues when running on powered tracks.
 

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Update in the first message! :D
Hope this is ok for admin! Or else let me know and I will drop it down in this thread!
 

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Thanks Stainzmeister! Love Your nickname!
Do You have a link for this 5 volt smoke unit?
...and thanks to everybody else that makes a great impact on this conversion matter!
 

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Update in the first post :)
 

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halifax100 said:
Have anyone tried a Remote DPDT Relay
...like this one:
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http://www.tamvalleydepot.com/products/octopusservodriver.html
(almost on the bottom of the site)
This should work as a remote controlled polarity changer, or..?

Thanks so far for all support, via the this thread and via PM!

I am guessing that it would probably not work unless there is something to hold the relay in the "On"
to facilitate switching.
Unless it is a latching relay of sorts.
If it just a normal relay then there must be some type of "hold on" voltage applied to the coil to switch and hold it in a particular state.
This could possibly be achieved by using some form of holding circuit, either an analogue circuit or possibly a micro controller like picaxe or arduino.
Picaxe would probably be the simplest, essentially getting it to read the output of a Rx channel and toggling an output in accordance with the Rx output channel's command thus controlling the coil.
In terms of effort to remove a simple servo/ switch setup it may not be a viable option but if electronics is a side hobby then I say go for it and experiment.
I have considered using latching relays but decided against them because the control circuitry would take up as much room as a servo/switch combo.
I work on the KISS principle.
"Keep It Simple Stupid"
 

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Ok, but why in the world did´nt any company see our need for integrating rc into G-scale?!!;) (excetions for Playmobil and some very expensive brands...)
Latching meaning "stays on when activaded" and seems impossible to find for RC use, in DPDT style.
 

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Regarding the removal of skates and plungers, I did remove them. Running on pure dc from two AA sized Li batteries (7.2v nominal), the Stainz pulled 20 bogie coaches on a level circuit.
 

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halifax100 said:
Ok, but why in the world did´nt any company see our need for integrating rc into G-scale?!!;) (excetions for Playmobil and some very expensive brands...)
Latching meaning "stays on when activaded" and seems impossible to find for RC use, in DPDT style.

Do you mean this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/230384429571?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649