Restart - Looking for help with UK OUtline

dunnyrail

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I didn’t see anyone mention it, but Garden Railway Specialists (GRSUk.com) produce a range of British outline stuff for 45mm track. It’s very much narrow gauge although I have a Peckett saddle tank that is quite industrial standard gauge in look, although 45mm. They also do coaches and goods stock.
Ah but they do Gauge 3 which uses the same sized buildings and figures pretty much that we do, but at a very different Track Gauge for Standard gauge offerings. Track gauge 2.5 inches or 63.5mm. And I have the greatest difficulty leaving without flexing my Credit Card on a Terrier or Steam Tram, have resisted so far but................I did join the Gauge 3 Society at a show last year. Oh wo is me..........
 
tac foley

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As a keen watcher of Gauge 3, just to see what they come up with next, I have to put in a plaudit here for GRS, who, IMO, have almost single-handedly brought G3 way down the ££££££££ list from what it used to be, to more like just the £££££ list. Even so, the Thomas trucks can, with a little work, be made into pretty good replicas of the average British two-axle wagon.

Locomotives for Gauge 3 will ALWAYS be expensive, a matter of the size of the market and the physical size of the model. Live steam UK-outline locos are always going to be north of a thousand pounds, even as kits. But they sure are good looking, right?
 
Tanker man

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This is a GRS coach kit that I recently completed, I have an all 3rd to add to it, I managed to pick them up second hand, unbuilt , both for the price of one new kit. Quite a lengthy build, certainly not an 'Airfix' type kit. You have to do quite a bit of working out to make the bits fit together but quite good for adding your own bits to it, mine has pictures from the area, reduced to fit, taken from a holiday in the area, a couple of years ago.
Dave
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dunnyrail

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This is a GRS coach kit that I recently completed, I have an all 3rd to add to it, I managed to pick them up second hand, unbuilt , both for the price of one new kit. Quite a lengthy build, certainly not an 'Airfix' type kit. You have to do quite a bit of working out to make the bits fit together but quite good for adding your own bits to it, mine has pictures from the area, reduced to fit, taken from a holiday in the area, a couple of years ago.
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But well worth the effort.
 
dunnyrail

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As a keen watcher of Gauge 3, just to see what they come up with next, I have to put in a plaudit here for GRS, who, IMO, have almost single-handedly brought G3 way down the ££££££££ list from what it used to be, to more like just the £££££ list. Even so, the Thomas trucks can, with a little work, be made into pretty good replicas of the average British two-axle wagon.

Locomotives for Gauge 3 will ALWAYS be expensive, a matter of the size of the market and the physical size of the model. Live steam UK-outline locos are always going to be north of a thousand pounds, even as kits. But they sure are good looking, right?
A few in Gauge 3 are getting quite inventive with Roundhouse Live Steam Kits knocked out to G3 for small Industrials, I reckon a Steam Tram or Sentinel Steam Tram would be viable. Oh the society are having a Winter Show at Flitwick on the 29th this month. Always worth a look.
 
Rhinochugger

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Mmmm, that GRS coach looks pretty good :clap::clap:
 
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A few in Gauge 3 are getting quite inventive with Roundhouse Live Steam Kits knocked out to G3 for small Industrials, I reckon a Steam Tram or Sentinel Steam Tram would be viable. Oh the society are having a Winter Show at Flitwick on the 29th this month. Always worth a look.
Well one of your wishes may have just come true DR - how about a RTR battery electric, radio controlled Sentinel for £660 plus shipping (or £600 to G3S Members). The details have just been posted on the G3 Society site ( www. gauge3.org.uk ). It was developed as a starter engine by myself and two other G3S members, so it's not a commercial venture as such - there was a preview article about it in Garden Rail last year (April 2019). A limited number have been built by another member and one of them was running on his 'Rundle' layout at Flitwick (G3 AGM) this weekend, so you may have seen it there...

Regards,

IanT

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dunnyrail

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Well one of your wishes may have just come true DR - how about a RTR battery electric, radio controlled Sentinel for £660 plus shipping (or £600 to G3S Members). The details have just been posted on the G3 Society site ( www. gauge3.org.uk ). It was developed as a starter engine by myself and two other G3S members, so it's not a commercial venture as such - there was a preview article about it in Garden Rail last year (April 2019). A limited number have been built by another member and one of them was running on his 'Rundle' layout at Flitwick (G3 AGM) this weekend, so you may have seen it there...

Regards,

IanT

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I was watching the very beast and having a conversation about the lack of sound and what could be done about that. General thoughts for the Sentinel a Shay may be the best. However that would define Battery DCC as the My Loco Sound card (to the best of my knowledge) is not able to a Shay. Interesting beast but not for me I am afraid, many thanks and good luck with it.
 
tac foley

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Jon, the incredible rate of rotation would make something like a Shay sound replication, with its soft rapid 'shuffle' a must-have.

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Compared to virtually every other LNER steam locomotive, the Sentinel Y1 and Y3 shunters had an unusual vertical design. The boiler was vertical with two vertical cylinders - one on each side. These were connected by a common crankshaft with camshafts which set the cut-off. Roller chains then transmitted power from sprockets on the crankshaft to sprockets on each of the two axles.

The recommended crankshaft speed was 500rpm, with Sentinel quoting a maximum of 600rpm which corresponds to a locomotive speed of 21mph. Typically, the engines were run at about 300rpm. [Well into Shay territory!!!]

The Y3 had multiple sprockets of two different sizes on the crankshaft. A spur wheel allowed the working sprocket set to be changed - so changing the gearing. This gear change could only be performed when stationary. Low gear was intended for shunting, whilst high gear was intended for running light or working short goods trains. With the 19:19 sprocket ratio design, the rated maximum of 600rpm gave 36.5mph in high gear, and 13.5mph in low gear.

The vertical boiler was cylindrical, with an inner firebox. Coal was fed in at the top. The grate (at the bottom) was slightly conical, so that coal fell towards the circumference. Boiler tubes were arranged in a spiral fashion at a total of three different angles. Construction was hence quite complicated, and Sentinel contracted firebox construction to Galloways of Manchester.
 
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Sorry I have been away for a while - life has been hectic. I hate it when daily life and work interferes with the fun.

You all are an amazing source of information and diversion. I can, and have, get
If the OP cares to PM me I will send him a couple of 16mm Association back numbers. Also, if he cares to take a look at the many thousands of movies on YouTube he'll get a better idea of what to ask about. My own channel, tac's trains, has live steam Gauge, and 1/20.3 and 16mm - most everything that can run on 45mm gauge track [sorry, 32mm-ers].
Tried to PM you but for some reson the board isn't letting me do so. I appreciate your offer and would love to take a look at the back issues.

- Michael
 
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Sorry I have been away for a while - life has been hectic. I hate it when daily life and work interferes with the fun.

You all are an amazing source of information and diversion. I can, and have, get lost in the links and the recommendations for hours. There is a lot more out there than I ever gave it credit for.
 
tac foley

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Sorry I have been away for a while - life has been hectic. I hate it when daily life and work interferes with the fun.

You all are an amazing source of information and diversion. I can, and have, get


Tried to PM you but for some reson the board isn't letting me do so. I appreciate your offer and would love to take a look at the back issues.

- Michael
PM me with your address and I'll send you a couple of magazines.