Not Lionel!

First 'square-drive' about 1908..
'Philip's' patented in 1930. - Car industry, mechanical driven, high torque.
 
So, with all of modernarity of the screws, and also the resin casting, I guess we all agree that the seller's statement:

"Very Rare - Not many of these were made. True Vintage Train Steam Engine. "

Which has 2 claims, is mostly false... I'll give him that "not many of these were made".... for good reason!

Greg
 
Greg Elmassian said:
.............................. seller is not making any claims as to old / antique / rare
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I think those words are sufficiently well abused on evilbay that a lot of people no longer really notice them - it's not just in the model railway world.

Part of the problem is Ebay itself, the selling process is so automated that the seller hardly has to write anything, but then is encouraged to write more; to my mind that's just asking people to make things up.

I deliberately avoid the word 'unique' when selling my camera creations, as I never know whether I'll get to work on a model that I've done before :lipssealed::lipssealed:
 
My first thought - Brum, on steroids.
 
Greg Elmassian said:
I've seen that clock for sale here in the US, but the point is that seller is not making any claims as to old / antique / rare
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For me, it's the representation of a locomotive without a chimney. Now I could understand it if it was representing a Fireless engine or a road locomotive (for the flangeless wheels)! Descriptions are utter bilge on many things that surface on ebay because of the plethora of meaningless searchwords. Or is it just sellers posting non-railway related items in the wrong category?
 
We can certainly write about something that is nothing. We seem to do this on every forum. On OGR ( O Gauge Railroading ) the threads go on into infinity.....:rolleyes:.....Some of us assume we know it all. Not myself of course....:blush:.....and write without reading previous posts. So the thread go on and on. Kind of like, the lights are on and no one is home.....:rofl:

I say all of this in jest. But as my grandmother used to say, "Many true words are said in jest".....:mm:
 
Well, it is better to talk on the history of the 'square-drive' head, than the monstrosity in my original post.

Anyway, who keeps posting obscure tools on a Garden Railway(road) site? :p:*;)
 
I am sad to say that the reason for my not looking at this site for some while has been justified by the diatribes above .
There seems to be a total sense of humour failure and an urgent need on the part of some of the contributors to air their knowledge .
The toy which is the subject of serious discussion is just that . a toy----even if it is only fit for decoration because of its weight .
It certainly holds its own compared with some of the tat for sale at preserved railway sites , but of course , that brings in money to keep them running , relying heavily on the "not many people know what a real loco looks like" and "his mom will buy it for him , she thinks it looks like a loco". There is even the
"I bought him that , it cost me a hundred pounds , aren't I gracious?" school . Think on that , it's OK to sell tat in some places , innit ?
The sellers of these things do not know what the real value is , which can work in our favour . For example , we got a mint boxed toy train at an auction of household items , the toy being the Corporal Loopy LGB tank in grey for £80 . That is not the only serious bargain we have acquired , but given the attitude of some contributors here they would help crooked dealers in tat alerting them . (oh , yes , you can hear it can't you ?) Smugly , because it isn't their railway of interest they would say "Did you know that thing is worth ten times that ?" Usually in a glottal voice as in rivet counters . If you just happened to be in line waiting to buy the bargain , you would be justified in joining the "Murderer whilst the balance of mind is upset" brigade .
Toys are toys , remember the seriously deficient Dinkies of yore that you coveted ? Take serious subjects seriously and let the toy buyers enjoy themselves .
 
ebay mike said:
Looks not too dissimilar to some of the cra 'collectable' transport items on offer in the dubious shops on the main road to the seafront in Great Yarmouth.
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I don`t think they would even touch it!!!!!:sick::sick:
 
mikanmart said:
I am sad to say that the reason for my not looking at this site for some while has been justified by the diatribes above .
There seems to be a total sense of humour failure and an urgent need on the part of some of the contributors to air their knowledge .
The toy which is the subject of serious discussion is just that . a toy----even if it is only fit for decoration because of its weight .
It certainly holds its own compared with some of the tat for sale at preserved railway sites , but of course , that brings in money to keep them running , relying heavily on the "not many people know what a real loco looks like" and "his mom will buy it for him , she thinks it looks like a loco". There is even the
"I bought him that , it cost me a hundred pounds , aren't I gracious?" school . Think on that , it's OK to sell tat in some places , innit ?
The sellers of these things do not know what the real value is , which can work in our favour . For example , we got a mint boxed toy train at an auction of household items , the toy being the Corporal Loopy LGB tank in grey for £80 . That is not the only serious bargain we have acquired , but given the attitude of some contributors here they would help crooked dealers in tat alerting them . (oh , yes , you can hear it can't you ?) Smugly , because it isn't their railway of interest they would say "Did you know that thing is worth ten times that ?" Usually in a glottal voice as in rivet counters . If you just happened to be in line waiting to buy the bargain , you would be justified in joining the "Murderer whilst the balance of mind is upset" brigade .
Toys are toys , remember the seriously deficient Dinkies of yore that you coveted ? Take serious subjects seriously and let the toy buyers enjoy themselves .
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I think that the bit that you may overlooked have is that most of the mockery, diatribe and alleged humour failure is primarily aimed at the rather glowing and effulgent descriptions that are frequently used, rather than a deliberate diminishing of the article in question.

If you go back to the original item that was the subject of this thread, if the seller had not been so foolish / greedy / ignorant or all three, and had avoided the brand name 'Lionel', this thread would have never occurred.
 
PhilP said:
This *may* have been in a 'Lionel Store'?

www.ebay.co.uk

Steam Engine Locomotive G Scale Gauge Train Railroad Lionel Store Display | eBay

You can now be the proud collector of a: Larger scale wood and resin display locomotive (approx. Appears complete and slightly larger than G scale. HEAVY ITEM! Display item as it is slightly bigger than G scale.wheels move freely, but not a ride-on toy. ).
www.ebay.co.uk

But I doubt any serious train emporium would have given it house-room?
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A bit like the 'rare' brass Pullman luggage racks that are imported by the container load. :)
I like it for it's goofyness and 'antique' patina. I also appreciate that someone meticulously crafted it out of scrap on a lathe driven like an old treadle Singer for a very basic income.
I found it's cousins...
Antique Wooden Miniature Train - 65 cm - Iron (cast/wrought), Wood - Catawiki
One large vintage wooden train model
 
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