New Fom LGB

[Alexander0654]

I have just received this from LGB via Facebook ;

www.lgb.com/products/details/article/20480

Very nice until you get to the price !

I personally think Gas Fired Live Steam represents better value.

Alex

 

[Rhinochugger]

Interesting, an 0-10-0 with all driving wheels flanged

 

[Gizzy]

Interesting, an 0-10-0 with all driving wheels flanged

And,

it'll do R1s too....

 

[Paul M]

Must be popular though, there's none in stock. But at that price, a live steamers would be my preference.

 

[stockers]

As we have been discussing in another thread the chassis flexes at two points - hence all wheels being flanged. It is effectively a 0-4-2-4-0

It is just about to be released - hence none in stock yet.
As for live steam - £3000 plus £450 for RC. Horses for courses - I like to sit back and watch trains rather than fuss over the operation.

http://www.accucraft.de/body_produk...live_stea/body_sachsische_vik__live_stea.html

 

[tac foley]

As we have been discussing in another thread the chassis flexes at two points - hence all wheels being flanged. It is effectively a 0-4-2-4-0

It is just about to be released - hence none in stock yet.
As for live steam - £3000 plus £450 for RC. Horses for course - I like to sit back and watch trains rather than fuss over the operation.

http://www.accucraft.de/body_produk...live_stea/body_sachsische_vik__live_stea.html

A completely scale model that almost fully represents the reality of a metal original, with fine and scale truly operational valve gear, driven by the original method of steam and pistons, or a plastic bend-in-the middle costy toy with bendy always-in-mid-gear valve gear, shiny skates and giant screw-heads? Also, driven by something that is not steam...

As long as I can afford to indulge, steam engines ought to be driven by steam, but, each to his or her own, right?

tac

 

[PaulRhB]

A completely scale model that almost fully represents the reality of a metal original, with fine and scale truly operational valve gear, driven by the original method of steam and pistons,

With a cab full of pipe work and a big gas tank, (rather than coal), difficult to run at scale shunting speeds without a slomo type device
I've driven some really nice live steam scale locos and they are great but I've not found one yet that's easy to run on gradients at a constant scale speed either.

or a plastic bend-in-the middle costy toy with bendy always-in-mid-gear valve gear, shiny skates and giant screw-heads? Also, driven by something that is not steam...

That you can run in the house rather than the shed

but, each to his or her own, right?

Yep that's the only important bit

 

[Rhinochugger]

As we have been discussing in another thread the chassis flexes at two points - hence all wheels being flanged. It is effectively a 0-4-2-4-0

It is just about to be released - hence none in stock yet.
As for live steam - £3000 plus £450 for RC. Horses for course - I like to sit back and watch trains rather than fuss over the operation.

http://www.accucraft.de/body_produk...live_stea/body_sachsische_vik__live_stea.html

Yep, I thought I could see daylight on the farther side in that original shot, and knowing LGB's history with the Mikado and their commitment to R1, guessed that was the solution.

I sit in the middle - it's b****y expensive for a 'lectric engine that may or may not be to scale.

While I understand some of LGB's commitment to R1 (and I also think there could be a less altruistic side to that) I'd rather see a proper rigid chassis, and it's interesting to see that the accurate Accucraft version has blind centre drivers.

However, it's a good loco to see modeled in this scale

 

[dunnyrail]

Cost of this to us in UK is very much due to UK's non involvment with the Euro when introduced and the subsequent Brexit Vote. Not wishing to start a political furor on here about both subjects but just stating the facts. Spot rate for Uuro on 1/2 2000 was 1.6598 Euro to the Pound. Do the math and work out the reduction!

 

[trammayo]

Cost of this to us in UK is very much due to UK's non involvment with the Euro when introduced and the subsequent Brexit Vote. Not wishing to start a political furor on here about both subjects but just stating the facts. Spot rate for Uuro on 1/2 2000 was 1.6598 Euro to the Pound. Do the math and work out the reduction!

Living in yo-yo land and receiving pensions from poundland - don't I know it! Still expensive loco though - but if you model the European scene then it's no doubt a desirable engine!

 

[tac foley]

Indoor trains in this scale need a big house that I don't have. My shed, that would prolly fit inside your refrigerator, is full of reloading gear and train storage overflow. If you want to see one running slowly without a SloMo, feel free to watch my pal deltatrains' videos on YT. R/C is a necessary item when manoevering with any live-steamer - that's a given when all the controls are on the loco. Is that so bad?

The real loco has flangeless centre drivers, BTW.

And trust me, few things in the model train hobby world look more ridiculous than the LGB/Aster White Pass mike running around R1 tracks.... I do it just to show folks that it can be done, if really necessary.

tac
OVGRS

 

[chris m01]

It is a huge amount of money for a few plastic mouldings and an electric motor. I guess volumes will be very low and a substantial proportion of the price is to cover the tooling cost. I'm sure they know their market but it certainly won't attract any newcomers to the hobby.Sorry to say this but LGB locos still look a bit toy like to me with their shiny valve gear, bright red wheels etc. And of course it is unlikely to be an accurate scale model.

I still can't believe they are selling their White Pass narrow gauge Alco in Southern Pacific livery and describing it as a standard gauge EMD SD40. Totally out of order. Any other manufacturer in any other scale would have been pilloried by the press and modellers for this.

 

[tac foley]

As we have been discussing in another thread

Please point me at the other thread.

TVM.

tac
OVGRS

 

[idlemarvel]

It is a huge amount of money for a few plastic mouldings and an electric motor.

Well two motors to be precise. And it has DCC fitted, sound and a pulsed smoke generator. Yes it is big bucks but I still want one.

I guess volumes will be very low and a substantial proportion of the price is to cover the tooling cost..

This is a low volume market and the cost of developing a new loco with new motor block arrangement is huge compared to initial returns. It's commercially risky. I'm sure if it sells there will be cheaper models without all the bells and whistles.

I'm sure they know their market but it certainly won't attract any newcomers to the hobby.

This was a result of customer demand for the larger Saxon locos, hopefully a Saxon VIIK is not too far away now they have a 10 wheel motor chassis.

And of course it is unlikely to be an accurate scale model.

I'll wait to see one reviewed before I comment on that, but doubtless they have had to make compromises to make it fit for R1 and easily maintainable.

I for one am very glad that LGB (Maerklin) are still willing to invest in this niche market which would be dead without them IMO.

 

[mike]

You pays your money and makes your choice..it will either sell. Or not sell..
Please let's not go back to the bad old days of my train is better than your train..we have done that before.
And it didn't end well for anyone
Mike

 

[Paul M]

It is a lot of cash for a model, but LGB are there to make a profit as all companies are. Having said that, LGB are pretty indestructible even if they do look a bit plastic, so it should last a long time. Just think how much a live steamer of this model would cost!

 

[Zerogee]

It is a lot of cash for a model, but LGB are there to make a profit as all companies are. Having said that, LGB are pretty indestructible even if they do look a bit plastic, so it should last a long time. Just think how much a live steamer of this model would cost!

As Stockers quoted from Accucraft/MBV Schug's website, about three-and-a-half grand with RC..... though Simon at ANG did have a lovely unsteamed one for sale a year ago for about £1750 (don't bother looking, it's gone now - and no, not to me though i was tempted at the time!).

Jon.

 

[PaulRhB]

Indoor trains in this scale need a big house that I don't have. My shed, that would prolly fit inside your refrigerator, is full of reloading gear and train storage overflow.

Just tried it and my 2-10-2 doesn't fit in the fridge let alone a shed, (I have a small flat on the second floor with no garden so I kinda have to run indoors)

If you want to see one running slowly without a SloMo, feel free to watch my pal deltatrains' videos on YT. R/C is a necessary item when manoevering with any live-steamer - that's a given when all the controls are on the loco. Is that so bad?

The real loco has flangeless centre drivers, BTW.

Yes with a lot of attention they can run ok on RC but they still don't handle like a real train and as I used to drive big 7 ¼ stuff regularly with up to 12 coaches so when compared to that I didn't find scale steam any more realistic than the electric option to be honest. All I meant was there are equal compromises to both, scale steam actually has the right power but big compromises on creating it and sounding right. Electric can have scale looking controls, and closer to real sound with dcc, and be cleaner and easier to operate.
Like Mike said neither is best just each provides that bit that is more important to our different preferences
The lgb stuff can be toned down and look really good as we've seen on Shades of the Harz.

Anyway I hope they do the Saxon 2-10-2's and I'll suspend disbelief and run them on R3 like I do with the HSB stuff as I agree they do look a tad daft on R1

 

[Rhinochugger]

It is a huge amount of money for a few plastic mouldings and an electric motor..

Edited - because, unusually for me, I'm behaving myself

 

[Zerogee]

You pays your money and makes your choice..it will either sell. Or not sell..
Please let's not go back to the bad old days of my train is better than your train..we have done that before.
And it didn't end well for anyone
Mike

Got yours on order yet, Mike?

Jon.