MaybachMD
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I think that was a bit too far West for the DR. The Gründerla ran between Eisfeld and Schönbrunn. It closed in 1973.
Simon
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Jon
Thanks. I think the front of the old version is clunkier than the 1950s build. To my eyes the water heater is not a great looking feature either, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But I am not complaining, I am delighted that a version is being produced. Just need to sort the money out so I can buy one.
Simon
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Yes - I need one.
The technical bit - both locos actually have Bissel trucks but on the Harz these are connected to the driven axles - hence the Schwartzkopff-Eckhardt-Lenkgestell, being a method of moving the main driven axles sideways to assist cornering - an improvement to the
Golsdorf system of articulation. I assumed the Saxon locos also have these but I will now have to go and find out.
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Rhinochugger
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Now, even I can tell that they're different locos - the one in the bottom photo has no coupling rods
10 wheel drive? Now that is complicatedNow, even I can tell that they're different locos - the one in the bottom photo has no coupling rods
Both Piko and LGB have cracked it with effectively articulated bogies, complex linking of the separate motor units and slotted coupling rods.
65 1057
Railways @ 1.435 mm/ 1.000 mm/ 750 mm and 45mm
Well - I have to turn on my pedantic mode (sorry - I cannot resist) - the whole story is a bit more complex.
VII k (750 mm) has only Bissel trucks which can swing +/- 120 mm (pivot point fixed at the frame) , the 1st and 4th driving wheels are fixed, the 2nd and 5th driving wheels can move +/- 6mm sidewards,
the main driving wheel has reduced flanges to handle 50 meters radii.
The 99. 72 (Harz 1.000 mm) had never Bissel trucks, but initially Krauss-Helmholtz-bogies between pony truck and 1st driving wheel.
source: Krauss-Helmholtz-Lenkgestell – WikipediaHere some pics from our 65 1057 - the principle is the same on class 50 / 52 etc.
In front the pony truck, in the middle the big lever, and in the background the 1st driving wheel . The pivot point is not fixed but equipped with damper-Springs so that not every movement / bump will directly be transferred to the loco-frame.
This Krauss-Helmoltz priciple failed in sharp curves, so all Harz-locos received the Schwartzkopff-Eckardt-bogies.
It's a combination of Krauss-Helmholtz between pony and 2nd driving wheel (blue lever) plus a Beugniot-lever between 1st and 2nd driving wheel (orange lever).
source: Schwartzkopff-Eckhardt-Lenkgestell – Wikipedia
In combination with a flangeless driving axle the Harz-2-10-2 locos have no fixed wheelbase, just a "guided length".
The same principle was applied on standard gauge class 84 on the Heidenau-Altenberg track which was re-gauged in 1935 - 1938
-pedantic mode off-.
When I made my fireman license in the early 90's in Wernigerode - I can tell you it takes quite some time to oil all theses levers and to fill all oil containers. Just don't forget one!
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stockers
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Separated by the second world war!
65 1057
Railways @ 1.435 mm/ 1.000 mm/ 750 mm and 45mm
The truck systems were on both sides - exactly for the reason your mentioned
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The ex SAR NG 15 under restoration on the WHR is a 2-8-2 tender loco with that truck only on the front. When in service I suspect it will spend half its time working in reverse. I suspect the tender may help the loco into the curves when running in reverse.
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meiningen8
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You are probably right I am still learning and am amazed at the number of both narrow gauge and private railways there have been.
AusrailQLD
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Another 2-10-2? :-(
I really wish LGB would focus on something different.
I really wish LGB would focus on something different.
Rhinochugger
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They make what sells, I s'pose - but as I don't run LGB it doesn't really worry me.
I also think it is fair to assume the the 750mm gauge brigade of German Modelers have been waiting for this with baited breath.
65 1057
Railways @ 1.435 mm/ 1.000 mm/ 750 mm and 45mm
Maybe, Jon. I hope that the "PIKO-trend" bigger/heavier/more axles/pulsed cylinder smoke plus expensive soundcard will stop soon.
I would really appreciate if a smart company would concentrate on the world of typical 0-6-0 NG locos, here some 1.000 mm examples
Kreis Altenaer Eisenbahn - Lok HERRMANN source: KAS 13 bis 17 – Wikipedia, in real live:
Lok HOYA (Bruchhausen-Vilsen) source: HSA Hoya bis Bücken – Wikipedia, in real live:
class 99 720 (Mosbach-Mudau) source: Mosbach–Mudau Nr. 1 bis 4 – Wikipedia, in real live:
württemb. TS 3 (just 3.000 €
) source Dingler TS-3 LB No.9 Grun Spur 2m-101/2 metal modell
an original Spreewald-Loco (the LGB Spreewald was an exception) source : Die Spreewaldbahn
and don't forget the 2-6-2 ans 2-8-2 from Gyfice (Regenwalder Kleinbahn)
source: Gunnar Christensen/ Velkommen til tog-billeder.dk
I would really appreciate if a smart company would concentrate on the world of typical 0-6-0 NG locos, here some 1.000 mm examples
Kreis Altenaer Eisenbahn - Lok HERRMANN source: KAS 13 bis 17 – Wikipedia, in real live: 
Lok HOYA (Bruchhausen-Vilsen) source: HSA Hoya bis Bücken – Wikipedia, in real live: 
class 99 720 (Mosbach-Mudau) source: Mosbach–Mudau Nr. 1 bis 4 – Wikipedia, in real live: 
württemb. TS 3 (just 3.000 €) source Dingler TS-3 LB No.9 Grun Spur 2m-101/2 metal modell
an original Spreewald-Loco (the LGB Spreewald was an exception) source : Die Spreewaldbahn and don't forget the 2-6-2 ans 2-8-2 from Gyfice (Regenwalder Kleinbahn)
source: Gunnar Christensen/ Velkommen til tog-billeder.dk
Yes I do understand that many of the smaller locomotives are of great interest. But for a Garden Railway bigger run so much better on Track Power, I converted my Pfiffi to Battery DCC as it ran awful on track power. LGB Corpets are also pretty poor on less than perfectly clean track, biguns particularly Articulated Puffers like the TL Harz Mallets and 2-10-2’s have a better chance of good running in less than clean track.Maybe, Jon. I hope that the "PIKO-trend" bigger/heavier/more axles/pulsed cylinder smoke plus expensive soundcard will stop soon.
I would really appreciate if a smart company would concentrate on the world of typical 0-6-0 NG locos, here some 1.000 mm examples
View attachment 285251 Kreis Altenaer Eisenbahn - Lok HERRMANN source: KAS 13 bis 17 – Wikipedia, in real live:
View attachment 285253 Lok HOYA (Bruchhausen-Vilsen) source: HSA Hoya bis Bücken – Wikipedia, in real live:
View attachment 285254 class 99 720 (Mosbach-Mudau) source: Mosbach–Mudau Nr. 1 bis 4 – Wikipedia, in real live:
View attachment 285255 württemb. TS 3 (just 3.000 €
View attachment 285256 an original Spreewald-Loco (the LGB Spreewald was an exception) source : Die Spreewaldbahn
and don't forget the 2-6-2 ans 2-8-2 from Gyfice (Regenwalder Kleinbahn)
View attachment 285259 source: Gunnar Christensen/ Velkommen til tog-billeder.dk
playmofire
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I was in PandS Hobbies yesterday and Paul said that there was a Spremberger in maroon due in the Autumn.
I think Andreas was looking for something completely different not just a relivery of an existing machine with a serious price inflation that appears to be Maerklins policy these days.