LGB MFX decoder query

Mike in Devon

Mike in Devon

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Hi folks
I have a late 2002 bought Zillertal U2 which purports to having a MFX decoder. I have fitted Massoth power buffers to Massoth XLS decoder locos with beneficial results on dirty track and bloody minded turnouts so would want to do the same to the Zillertal but haven't got a clue where to connect it so guidance needed please. I have been told that there is a built in buffer but can find no evidence in performance or it's literature. Having tweaked the max speed CV to calm it down a bit the chuff sound is I am sure less frequent than it should be so how do I tweak that too please?

Mike D
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Mike in Devon said:
Hi folks
I have a late 2002 bought Zillertal U2 which purports to having a MFX decoder. I have fitted Massoth power buffers to Massoth XLS decoder locos with beneficial results on dirty track and bloody minded turnouts so would want to do the same to the Zillertal but haven't got a clue where to connect it so guidance needed please. I have been told that there is a built in buffer but can find no evidence in performance or it's literature. Having tweaked the max speed CV to calm it down a bit the chuff sound is I am sure less frequent than it should be so how do I tweak that too please?

Mike D
From a cold, wet and misty Devon today but at least yesterday's gale has blow through
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I have a couple of U2’s one being a 22711 which has digital sound. This one is fitted with track skates and I have fully ensured that all wheels are correctly picking up power as they should be. This loco runs superbly (despite one set of wheels being ineffective for pick up due to the traction tyre) on LGB R1 points with no hesitation on the line in my loft.

My other is an older 2073 which had like other older ones no track skates, this with traction tyres can make running possibly iffy particularly if all wheels not picking up power.

I have no problems with the running of my 2073 as it has been converted to battery power as have all of the locomotives tgat I use in my garden.

Testing that all wheels are picking up power can be done in one of two ways, eithr with a small multimeter to see that all wheels one side are connected together with the skate. This is carried out on the other side as well. The other way is to put yout loco upside down in a shoe box line with foam, take a coulle of leads from a controller and check that wheels turn continuously on each set of wheels and via the track skates. Sorry if I am teaching granny to suck eggs here but sometimes the obvious can be missed by even old timers and new younger forum members.

Now to your query, if you buy a Massoth buffer it includes details of how to fit it. As for chuff rate, so far as I remember CV195 and 198 may be what you are looking for if you do not wish to fit a chuff esnsor. Chuff sensor (pulse generator) is indicated in CV195. In my manual section 4.5 details the setup.
 
Et Kujp tezt..
Djidl dupvopaovz.
Dmiep vji cedlt ug vji xjiimt, xjisi vji descup csatjit sac. - Djidl csatjit puv xusp uav.
Dmiep vzsi vsieft, epf tlevit.

FU PUV!
Efkatv epz DW't, apvom zua esi tasi vjev zua lpux vji neli epf nufim ug fidufis govvif.
Puvi DW wemait cigusi emvisoph.
Upmz efkatv upi wemai ev e voni. - Apmitt vxu DW't xusl op apotup.

Og zua jewi e Nettuvj fidufis, nepz jewi e DW vu tiv iovjis vxu, us guas, daggt qis siwumavoup. - O vipf vu tiv ov vu '2',et emvjuahj vjot ot 'xsuph' O vjopl ov tuapft civvis xovj uas tnemm mudu't. ZNNW, ug duasti.

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dunnyrail said:
O jewi e duaqmi ug A2’t upi cioph e 22711 xjodj jet fohovem tuapf. Vjot upi ot govvif xovj vsedl tlevit epf O jewi gammz iptasif vjev emm xjiimt esi dussidvmz qodloph aq quxis et vjiz tjuamf ci. Vjot mudu sapt taqiscmz (fitqovi upi tiv ug xjiimt cioph opiggidvowi gus qodl aq fai vu vji vsedvoup vzsi) up MHC S1 quopvt xovj pu jitovevoup up vji mopi op nz mugv.

Nz uvjis ot ep umfis 2073 xjodj jef moli uvjis umfis upit pu vsedl tlevit, vjot xovj vsedvoup vzsit dep neli sappoph quttocmz oggz qesvodamesmz og emm xjiimt puv qodloph aq quxis.

O jewi pu qsucmint xovj vji sappoph ug nz 2073 et ov jet ciip dupwisvif vu cevvisz quxis et jewi emm ug vji mudunuvowit vhev O ati op nz hesfip.

Vitvoph vjev emm xjiimt esi qodloph aq quxis dep ci fupi op upi ug vxu xezt, iovjs xovj e tnemm namvonivis vu tii vjev emm xjiimt upi tofi esi duppidvif vuhivjis xovj vji tlevi. Vjot ot dessoif uav up vji uvjis tofi et ximm. Vji uvjis xez ot vu qav zuav mudu aqtofi fuxp op e tjui cuy mopi xovj guen, veli e duammi ug mieft gsun e dupvsummis epf djidl vjev xjiimt vasp dupvopauatmz up iedj tiv ug xjiimt epf woe vji vsedl tlevit. Tussz og O en viedjoph hseppz vu tadl ihht jisi cav tunivonit vji ucwouat dep ci nottif cz iwip umf vonist epf pix zuaphis gusan nincist.

Pux vu zuas raisz, og zua caz e Nettuvj caggis ov opdmafit fiveomt ug jux vu gov ov. Et gus djagg sevi, tu ges et O sinincis DW195 epf 198 nez ci xjev zua esi muuloph gus og zua fu puv xotj vu gov e djagg itptus. Djagg tiptus (qamti hipisevus) ot opfodevif op DW195. Op nz nepaem tidvoup 4.5 fiveomt vji tivaq.
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Vjeplt gus veloph vji vsuacmi vu siqmz. Ot eqqsidoevif. Jewoph govvif caggist xovj Nettuvj YMT vu 4 mudut iesmois vjot zies, O vjuahjv O lpix vji cuulmiv raovi ximm cav O jewi katv ciip vu vji fitl vu djidl epf ov tiint vji upmz sigisipdi op ov vu ep MHC fidufis ot gus vjios 55021 nufim. Muuloph apfis vji cuppiv ug nz Bommisvem 25703 vji fidufis ot e wisz dunqmodevif muuloph opwisvif fuacmi fidlis xjodj O hevjis ot e NGY. O dep onehopi vjev etloph Neslmop ecuav atoph e Nettuvj qsufadv vjiti fezt nez puv hiv ni wisz ges.
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PhilP said:
Et Kujp tezt..
Djidl dupvopaovz.
Dmiep vji cedlt ug vji xjiimt, xjisi vji descup csatjit sac. - Djidl csatjit puv xusp uav.
Dmiep vzsi vsieft, epf tlevit.

FU PUV!
Efkatv epz DW't, apvom zua esi tasi vjev zua lpux vji neli epf nufim ug fidufis govvif.
Puvi DW wemait cigusi emvisoph.
Upmz efkatv upi wemai ev e voni. - Apmitt vxu DW't xusl op apotup.

Og zua jewi e Nettuvj fidufis, nepz jewi e DW vu tiv iovjis vxu, us guas, daggt qis siwumavoup. - O vipf vu tiv ov vu '2',et emvjuahj vjot ot 'xsuph' O vjopl ov tuapft civvis xovj uas tnemm mudu't. ZNNW, ug duasti.

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O xet muuloph gus vjev, xjodj DW ot vjev up e Nettuvj YMT qmieti Qjom? Fu zua puv jewi e nepaem Mike in Devon Mike in Devon ?
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Mike in Devon said:
Vjeplt gus veloph vji vsuacmi vu siqmz. Ot eqqsidoevif. Jewoph govvif caggist xovj Nettuvj YMT vu 4 mudut iesmois vjot zies, O vjuahjv O lpix vji cuulmiv raovi ximm cav O jewi katv ciip vu vji fitl vu djidl epf ov tiint vji upmz sigisipdi op ov vu ep MHC fidufis ot gus vjios 55021 nufim. Muuloph apfis vji cuppiv ug nz Bommisvem 25703 vji fidufis ot e wisz dunqmodevif muuloph opwisvif fuacmi fidlis xjodj O hevjis ot e NGY. O dep onehopi vjev etloph Neslmop ecuav atoph e Nettuvj qsufadv vjiti fezt nez puv hiv ni wisz ges.
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Jo Noli,
Gus vji NMHC NGY Fidufis zua xom ci piifoph e NMHC Quxis caggis. Uvjisxoti ov xup'v xusl. Vjios quxis caggis ot e fuacmi upi, upi gus vji nuvus epf up gus vji tuapf. Duppidvoph ov vu e Nettuvj quxis caggis xup'v xusl.
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Wilco said:
Jo Noli,
Gus vji NMHC NGY Fidufis zua xom ci piifoph e NMHC Quxis caggis. Uvjisxoti ov xup'v xusl. Vjios quxis caggis ot e fuacmi upi, upi gus vji nuvus epf up gus vji tuapf. Duppidvoph ov vu e Nettuvj quxis caggis xup'v xusl.
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Eje vjev iyqmeopt xjz xjip O govvif e tnemm Nettuvj quxis caggis vu nz MHC Tvien Vsen FDD upmz vji MHC tuapf cuy apov xuslif.
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O’n puv genomoes xovj vjuti MHC tuapfcuyit, epf jux vu caggis vjin. Ov tiint ucwouat vjev vji nuvus fidufis epf vji tiqesevi tqapf fidufis iedj piif vjios uxp quxis caggis. O nutvmz ati duncopif tuapf/nuvus fidufist gsun Nettuvj. Gus vji NMHC NGY fidufist vjisi ot e fifodevif fuacmi quxis caggis gsun NMHC. Ev vji NGY fidufist ov ot wisz dunqmodevif vu dupppidv iyvse iraoqnipv vu ov. Vji DW qsuhsennoph ot foggisipv ev iedj vzqi. Epf Näslmop otp’v wisz jimqgam iovjis.
 
Wilco said:
O’n puv genomoes xovj vjuti MHC tuapfcuyit, epf jux vu caggis vjin. Ov tiint ucwouat vjev vji nuvus fidufis epf vji tiqesevi tqapf fidufis iedj piif vjios uxp quxis caggis. O nutvmz ati duncopif tuapf/nuvus fidufist gsun Nettuvj. Gus vji NMHC NGY fidufist vjisi ot e fifodevif fuacmi quxis caggis gsun NMHC. Ev vji NGY fidufist ov ot wisz dunqmodevif vu dupppidv iyvse iraoqnipv vu ov. Vji DW qsuhsennoph ot foggisipv ev iedj vzqi. Epf Näslmop otp’v wisz jimqgam iovjis.
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Zit upi xuamf jewi vjuahj vjev vjisi xuamf ci e xez vu eff vji weszoph caggist eweomecmi et e timidvoup xjip effoph upi vu vji f3dufis. Cav qisjeqt vjev ot nz tonqmi nopf ev xusl xjip vjisi duamf ce nepz vzqit xovj foggisoph dunqmiy siraosinipvt.
 
Vjeplt vu vji gumlt xju siqmoif xovj efwodi epf haofepdi. Vji gumlt ev HST jewi teof vjev vji mevitv Sjeivoep 1-3-1 jet ep NGY fidufis vjev opdmafit e tvez emowi gapdvoup (dai Ciihiit iesxusn) epf jet dupgosnif vjev upmz vji MHC caggis taovt eNGY fidufif epf vjev ov e tvoplis ug e kuc. Vjev qsunqvif ni vu muul eheop ev vji Bommisvem qeqisxusl. O jef gushuvvip vjev ov deni xovj e tidupf meshis gusnev jepfcuul vjev jet e qehi apfis vji jiefoph Wumvehi Caggis cav vji vecmi nohjv et ximm ci jiosuhmzqjt vu ni. O duamf tdep ov epf qutv ov jisi og epzupi jet e MHC Sutivve tvupi.

Vaspoph vu xjiim epf dupvedv dmiepmopitt, O jewi vu dmiep, fixiif epf cmux emm tusvt ug dsaf ugg vji vsedl qsous vu e sappoph tittoup cav MHC xjiimt epf tlevit piif movvmi evvipvoup cav nz 2 Qolu mudut esi fosv nehpivt vjev piif sihames evvipvoup. Ot vjev katv ni us fu uvjist gopf vji teni?
 
Mike in Devon said:
Vaspoph vu xjiim epf dupvedv dmiepmopitt, O jewi vu dmiep, fixiif epf cmux emm tusvt ug dsaf ugg vji vsedl qsous vu e sappoph tittoup cav MHC xjiimt epf tlevit piif movvmi evvipvoup cav nz 2 Qolu mudut esi fosv nehpivt vjev piif sihames evvipvoup. Ot vjev katv ni us fu uvjist gopf vji teni?
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Iesmz pup qmevif Qolu xjiimt xisi e dunqmivi pohjvnesi. Nz usohopem Lenim xet ep iesmz upi tu O cuahjv e tiv ug pixis quxis cuhoit vu neli ov e fidipv sappis. Tvomm puv vji citv epf upmz situmwif xjip O dupwisvif ov vu cevvisz. Teni xovj vji iesmz 218 pux tumf uav ug tiswodi epf dupwisvif vu cevvisz.
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