Is this the first sighting of a Franzburg for sale...?

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Just spotted this tonight on German EvilBay.....

http://www.ebay.de/itm/LGB-Dampflok-Franzburg-Art-20181-analog-mit-Schnittstelle-neu-OVP-/381176972824?pt=DE_Modellbau_Modelleisenbahnen&hash=item58bfeb0618

First one I've actually seen offered for sale!

Jon.

PS: just spotted a V100 as well! ;)

http://www.ebay.de/itm/LGB-20121-DIESELLOKOMOTIVE-V-100-DB-EPOCHE-III-NEU-/351330416299?pt=DE_Modellbau_Modelleisenbahnen&hash=item51ccecb6ab
 
Hmmm, I'd expected this might raise a bit of discussion, but not a single comment by anyone in nearly 24 hours..... is there a general lack of interest in new LGB offerings, or has almost everyone interested in Euro style G left the forum?
It didn't even prompt any comments about prices - for what it's worth, my feeling is that the Franzburg is nice but still overpriced for what it is, while the V100 is quite exceptionally good value - an all-new LGB DCC/sound loco for not much more than a Piko analogue one....! ;)

Jon.
 
Sorry Jon. i was sleeping.
Lovely loco. Not cheap, but then you take it or leave it - its a personal choice. It is a lovely little loco and I expect it will be quite popular but moderated by its price. All new moldings I suppose.
its on my 'one day' list.
Not keen on the big box in the cab for the decoder - and it looks like Marklin are making it awkward to fit non Marklin kit. If that is a sound business plan we will have to see. I doubt it.
 
Zerogee said:
Hmmm, I'd expected this might raise a bit of discussion, but not a single comment by anyone in nearly 24 hours..... is there a general lack of interest in new LGB offerings, or has almost everyone interested in Euro style G left the forum?
It didn't even prompt any comments about prices - for what it's worth, my feeling is that the Franzburg is nice but still overpriced for what it is, while the V100 is quite exceptionally good value - an all-new LGB DCC/sound loco for not much more than a Piko analogue one....! ;)

Jon.
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I'm still here.... I missed the V100 at the bottom. For me personally the Franzburg is too much like a Stainz to be of great interest - I suppose I want something in a very different livery the Steam Tram museum at Hoorn:
http://www.museumstoomtram.nl/nl/stoomlocomotief-16-medemblik-van-de-georgsmarienhütten-eisenbahn
or a reasonably priced 0-6-0 but I don't really know enough about German locomotives to be specific. That has reminded me that I have a picture of one from the Bochum museum that I must compare with the Spreewald.

Steam engine wise, what I really want to see is the new Feldbahn locomotive and what the re-engineered drive train really means i.e. does it mean no more rubber/plastic belts.

The V100 as you say is very tempting....
Am going to G Rail - well, will be on group stand - and looking forward to seeing what LGB decide to bring....

Chris
 
stockers said:
Sorry Jon. i was sleeping.
Lovely loco. Not cheap, but then you take it or leave it - its a personal choice. It is a lovely little loco and I expect it will be quite popular but moderated by its price. All new moldings I suppose.
its on my 'one day' list.
Not keen on the big box in the cab for the decoder - and it looks like Marklin are making it awkward to fit non Marklin kit. If that is a sound business plan we will have to see. I doubt it.
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Hi Alan.... I assume you mean the thing under the cab roof? I see what you mean, it's even more obtrusive than the sound unit enclosure on a modern Stainz.... though at normal viewing angles it may not be too bad once you've got a couple of crew figures in the cab, one either side of the box? It does list a DCC connector, but will this be the standard 10-pin jobbie or a Marklin-specific one, I wonder?
Anyone seen any mention of a Marklin-branded decoder to fit this one, or do you reckon they're intending people to use a 55028?
Interestingly, that particular seller does offer an option to buy the loco with either a driving decoder or a sound decoder installed by them, and they do mention Massoth decoders in both cases - so that might indicate a 10-pin connector and enough space to fit an L or LS with the 10-wire loom, as offered for the Saxon 1K...... wonder if Massoth have a sound file for the Franzburg ready yet?

As you say, Chris, it will be interesting to see what LGB bring along to G-Rail..... ;)

Jon.
 
Hi Jon
I've only just spotted the thread as I've been away at a conference. To me the Franzburg is too expensive for a small loco, I fancy the V100 and with sound and decoder it seems reasonably priced, but I will wait to see one in person ( hopefully at G rail) as it might be too similar to my red V52.
 
I have always been keen on the V100. There were a gazillion of them around when I was a kid and I was once invited into the cab. I still remember the engineer explaining to me that it had hydraulic transmission and I had no idea what that meant. Sad to think they are all gone now.

I wonder how new the V100 really is, as there has been a Maerklin Spur I (gauge 1) model for a long time and can be had on ebay for about the same money, digital with sound and as new.

Oops, thread drift! Sorry... :o
 
It looks like a nice model, but I'd want a decoder and sound for that money.

I'd not part with any money anyway until I knew what the socket inside was, and I've not seem anything on that yet.

It doesn't add up to me that the RRP of the 20180 Franzburg is Euro529.95, while the RRP of the 24741 Speedwald with decoder and sound is Euro 549.95!

I suppose there is always a premium for a new model. Maybe I will wait until they bring out the next version, or the price goes down.
 
The 'Franzburg' certainly looks like a nicely detailed model, however the increase in the detail and more complex paint schemes appear to be commensurate with the rise in price. The local importer in Australia currently has it listed at A$1250 (that's Euro 874, GBP 635), then factor in at least another A$300 for a sound decoder. Further, given the plummeting value of the Aussie dollar I expect when they arrive here it will be more expensive again. Having said that, I'd quite like to have the DR version.

The obtrusive box in the cab for the decoder is certainly clunky. However, if it means decoder installation is quick and straight forward it might be a tolerable compromise in comparison to shoehorning something into a very small boiler.
 
I agree Michael, the detailing and paint job do look very good. Quality costs I suppose.
450 euro here. Its coming down in price already.
http://www.besserepreise.com/modellbahnen/lgb/lgb-loks/lgb-20180----dampflokomotive-99-5604.htm
 
Any new model released is always good news (especially by LGB) although non of the two models make me want to rush out and get one soon. They may look better in the flesh so to speak hopefully at Stafford in a couple of weeks time. I agree that the Franzburg loco is way overpriced and needs to come down quite a bit for me to consider a purchase of a small 0-4-0 loco.
Having said that the Saxoian IK 0-6-0 tank was released expensive for an Anilog loco, don't know how successful it was.
 
I noticed Model-Land are saying they are going to fit the Massoth eMotion M1 decoder, so the DCC interface in the Franzberg is not the 10 pin version, but the new Gauge 1 Interface. That is not what I wanted to hear.

There is the new LGB 55529 Interface Adapter but although Marklin claim they are shipping it I haven't ever seen one, and it seems to be expensive. I guess there will be ways to connect decoders with other interfaces directly to the new interface, but someone will have to work out how first. I believe PaulRhb may have done that with his new Rhatia.
 
Interesting, Cliff... thanks!

So for a direct plug-in, it will either be the Massoth XLS-M1 or Marklin's own sound-decoder - any info on price/availability for either of those?
Muns, if you're reading this thread, any news on the XLS-M1, do you have a UK price for it?

Jon.
 
Why is it an XLS, when an LS would do?
 
stockers said:
Why is it an XLS, when an LS would do?
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Presumably because the board has to be a given size to fit the plug-in interface, so there is little point in doing two different amp-rated versions when they would be physically almost identical - there would probably be very little cost difference and it would just complicate manufacturing and supply. Plus (on the cynical side), they get to charge an XLS rather than an LS price.....

I'm sure an LS could be used with a suitable interface adaptor, if/when one is available, provided the cost of said adaptor didn't swallow up most of the XLS/LS cost difference.....

Then again, isn't Marklin's own plug-in sound decoder supposed to be relatively cheap? I've not seen one, but I do recall people taking on here about a kind of £60-£70 price band? In which case a £160-ish XLS from Massoth will have a hard job to compete - or even an LS at around £120...... ???

Jon.
 
All questions for the LGB stand at Stafford. Are they ready for us lot??????
 
Zerogee said:
Then again, isn't Marklin's own plug-in sound decoder supposed to be relatively cheap? I've not seen one, but I do recall people taking on here about a kind of £60-£70 price band?
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Based on the LGB website the new 55028 'Märklin' 28-pin decoder is priced at Euro 99.95 (approx £70), but it has no sound function. Should a sound variant appear I'm sure price would be considerably to the north of this. However, browsing Märklin's website their new generation HO sound decoders appear offer the possibility of using the CS2 central station to upload new sound files. From what I could make out, you download a sound file onto a USB drive, plug the USB into the CS2, then install/change the sound file. If this is applied to a new generation LGB sound decoder it would appear to mean a one size fits all decoder without the need for specialised decoder programming interfaces. Of course the major insect in the ointment would be the need to invest in the CS2... :-\
 
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