I Finally Got One !
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nicebutdim
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Very nice indeed 
It's a shame there isn't a decal sheet to add the extra detail to other Stainz.
It's a shame there isn't a decal sheet to add the extra detail to other Stainz.
Zerogee
Clencher's Bogleman
Pretty little loco, Sparky! 
Just to be a little pedantic, I don't think the D gearboxes came in till the mid to late 90s - what you probably have is a sandwich gearbox but still a pre-D 3-pin type; the D refers to the 4-pin digital-ready sandwich gearboxes which were introduced shortly before the first MTS system became available with the early 55020 decoders, with the D denoting that the gearbox was suitable for a DCC decoder without internal modifications being required. As I'm sure you know but a few others might not, the post-clamshell but "pre-D" sandwich gearboxes have only three connector pins, so to make them DCC compatible you have to get inside and isolate one motor terminal from the white track power feed, adding a new (yellow) wire to the motor.
The D type 4-pin gearbox can be identified by a small capital D embossed on the bottom plate near the model number sticker; if a gearbox does not have this then it's a three-pin type.
Jon.
Just to be a little pedantic, I don't think the D gearboxes came in till the mid to late 90s - what you probably have is a sandwich gearbox but still a pre-D 3-pin type; the D refers to the 4-pin digital-ready sandwich gearboxes which were introduced shortly before the first MTS system became available with the early 55020 decoders, with the D denoting that the gearbox was suitable for a DCC decoder without internal modifications being required. As I'm sure you know but a few others might not, the post-clamshell but "pre-D" sandwich gearboxes have only three connector pins, so to make them DCC compatible you have to get inside and isolate one motor terminal from the white track power feed, adding a new (yellow) wire to the motor.
The D type 4-pin gearbox can be identified by a small capital D embossed on the bottom plate near the model number sticker; if a gearbox does not have this then it's a three-pin type.
Jon.
Zerogee
Clencher's Bogleman
OK, that's interesting.... just goes to show how complicated and sometimes confusing the LGB technical history is! 
I was pretty sure about the D-marked bottom plates being introduced at the same time as the 4-pin wiring - because until they started to pre-plan for the introduction of DCC (MTS) towards the end of the Nineties, there was no reason for any motor block to have both power feeds separated from the motor connections. I'm pretty sure that all the early 90s locos I've taken apart have had 3-pin boxes. Whenever you think you know something, someone will always find a model that disproves it!
Out of interest, is there a gold QC sticker on this loco?
Jon.
I was pretty sure about the D-marked bottom plates being introduced at the same time as the 4-pin wiring - because until they started to pre-plan for the introduction of DCC (MTS) towards the end of the Nineties, there was no reason for any motor block to have both power feeds separated from the motor connections. I'm pretty sure that all the early 90s locos I've taken apart have had 3-pin boxes. Whenever you think you know something, someone will always find a model that disproves it!
Out of interest, is there a gold QC sticker on this loco?
Jon.
Jon,
I am also a little confused. This livery was a premium livery and a standalone model. I do not believe that it came in a starter set. Thus why has it got basic electrics? As a premium model it should have directional lighting and smoke capability.
As regards the sandwich block, I thought the 3-pin came out in the early 1990's and the four pin a few years later. Some one has done a switch on the drive. I do not think that a four pin drive would come with the pre-1998 metal drive rods. The date sticker also seems a furphy. A previous owner I believe has switched out the drive and exchanged the date sticker to the new drive cover.
I have not heard of a 1990 four pin drive.
Edit: I do not know if the photo is the poster's original or a stock photo but the headlight definately shows an electrical input. Why has the loco got internal electrics and yet the block pins are shorted out. Something is not right!
I am also a little confused. This livery was a premium livery and a standalone model. I do not believe that it came in a starter set. Thus why has it got basic electrics? As a premium model it should have directional lighting and smoke capability.
As regards the sandwich block, I thought the 3-pin came out in the early 1990's and the four pin a few years later. Some one has done a switch on the drive. I do not think that a four pin drive would come with the pre-1998 metal drive rods. The date sticker also seems a furphy. A previous owner I believe has switched out the drive and exchanged the date sticker to the new drive cover.
I have not heard of a 1990 four pin drive.
Edit: I do not know if the photo is the poster's original or a stock photo but the headlight definately shows an electrical input. Why has the loco got internal electrics and yet the block pins are shorted out. Something is not right!
sparky230
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my Augsbuger Puppenstike Stainz also has a 4 pin block with shorted pins and metal rods, it also does not have a D on the block, It has smoke and lights same as the stainz livered stainz, but both have basic wiring, no circuit boards, just 2 diodes for lights
That is a 1995 Loco and the exploded diagram for it clearly shows the links on the block
http://www.champex-linden.de/download_lgb_explosionszeichnungen/25201-1.pdf
I have 6 stainzs with sandwitch blocks, 4 have 3 pins, 2 have 4 pins
The wiring in both is deffinitly Factory, and is identical on both, same colours, same type of connectors
That is a 1995 Loco and the exploded diagram for it clearly shows the links on the block
http://www.champex-linden.de/download_lgb_explosionszeichnungen/25201-1.pdf
I have 6 stainzs with sandwitch blocks, 4 have 3 pins, 2 have 4 pins
The wiring in both is deffinitly Factory, and is identical on both, same colours, same type of connectors
funandtrains
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There were two versions of the lined Stainz No.2 one made in the 80s and then another in the 90s, brought out with the Bottle Train coaches. The one you have is the older version which has the same basic electrics as most 70s and early 80s Stainz locos. The 90s version has the new design cab, D gearbox and plastic con rods.
sparky230
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Said Loco and me have been to Chalks, This is peters take on loco
It was built in 1990, it should have a 3pin sandwich block, the 4 pin block has been replaced, but he thinks replaced at factory as a repair as all the internal wiring is factory colours, as the loco came from germany, not from uk seller, he thinks repair would have been done at nuremberg
The build code on the bottom plate is right for the loco, he thinks the original bottom plate was put on a later block when it had repair
he said there are actualy 3 versions of the livered stainz, a 80's one with a split block, this one built 90 with a sandwich block and metal rods, and a late 90's one with d block and plastic rods
He also said the 4 pin block with factory links apeared about 93/4 and when first used didnt have the D
It was built in 1990, it should have a 3pin sandwich block, the 4 pin block has been replaced, but he thinks replaced at factory as a repair as all the internal wiring is factory colours, as the loco came from germany, not from uk seller, he thinks repair would have been done at nuremberg
The build code on the bottom plate is right for the loco, he thinks the original bottom plate was put on a later block when it had repair
he said there are actualy 3 versions of the livered stainz, a 80's one with a split block, this one built 90 with a sandwich block and metal rods, and a late 90's one with d block and plastic rods
He also said the 4 pin block with factory links apeared about 93/4 and when first used didnt have the D
dutchelm
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I have recently bought a Stainz on ebay, I think it came from a circus set. The only date on it is a 1968 - 1993 25 year round sticker so I assume it is 1993.
The top of the loco is early stainz with a long smoking chimney & little bent metal switch underneath. However it has a sandwich gear box & metal motion. A pair of wires are connected to the 3 pin gearbox & run to the 2 sockets on the back of the cab.
It's causing me a few headaches as quite a few bits were missing & its a job to find which bits fit.
The top of the loco is early stainz with a long smoking chimney & little bent metal switch underneath. However it has a sandwich gear box & metal motion. A pair of wires are connected to the 3 pin gearbox & run to the 2 sockets on the back of the cab.
It's causing me a few headaches as quite a few bits were missing & its a job to find which bits fit.
dutchelm
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This is definitely a 2020. This one has a gold buffers & a gold back lamp. The front lamp was missing as was a few other bits. The plough is standard black. Unfortunately Modell Land don't seem to have the missing bits. What surprised me was the sandwich gear box which is definitely original. I cannot complain as I bought it for spares to repair a couple of old crocks.sparky230 said:
funandtrains
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Lehmann up to the late 90s tended to built Stainz locos and to a lesser extent other locos that had been around the 70s out of what ever left over batches of parts they had in the factory so you can find several locos that are meant to be the same being assembled from different designs of parts produced over the previous 10 years or more.