For Sale - Accucraft live steam 3-cylinder Shay

Buy now for 1950 GBP
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Live steam Shay - is very heavy, so collection or mutually convenient swap spot would be ideal.

One of the pins for the link and pin coupling is missing.

£1950
 

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OK, not a lot of interest - well, zilch actually :oops: I'll give it a few days, then we'll have to list it on a well-known online auction site ;)
 
Rather than risk the vagaries of that well known auction site (Ebay ? :nod: ) might I suggest a "commission sale" with one of any of the more reputable specialist traders. I used C2B and GRC in the past, both sadly no longer operating. Sure, if you put a decent reserve, and a BIN/best offer option and monitor the sales process you might get a good price on that auction site, however..... Do Ebay still allow you to "pull" an item, up to 12 hours before end time ? I have always prefered the former on big ticket items, less risk, even though I have traded about 1000 items on Ebay as well (mostly hand built/diecast static and slot car models). Both ways you get a chance of near market price, with both options offering similar "cost of sale". Max
 
OK, not a lot of interest - well, zilch actually :oops: I'll give it a few days, then we'll have to list it on a well-known online auction site ;)
Hi Rhino. I sold my live steam Accucraft C21 through Accucraft UK's commission sales. They take between 10% and 15%.
I know that ebay sales are now free so you save there but Accucraft do take the worry away concerning possible problems.
Having said that, as you are going to only have pickup by the buyer and you could demo it to them, the Ebay route would be less costly.
 
Hi Rhino. I sold my live steam Accucraft C21 through Accucraft UK's commission sales. They take between 10% and 15%.
I know that ebay sales are now free so you save there but Accucraft do take the worry away concerning possible problems.
Having said that, as you are going to only have pickup by the buyer and you could demo it to them, the Ebay route would be less costly.
Hi Mike,

eBay sales free in your part of the world? Not the case - free until you sell!

They take at least 17% on the sales I have made over the last few years and deduct a fee from the postage as well! (Their Global Shipping Program is good for sellers too lazy to pack and post themselves but charges outrageous fees to the buyer - more expensive as Royal Mail though so GAP was right about shipping to Australia). They also add import taxes to items that are duty free/exempt under Australian regulations such as model trains & parts (would like to know where that money goes).

Basically eBay has become a rip-off - I now only use it for items that may sell to international sellers.......
 
Hi Mike,

eBay sales free in your part of the world? Not the case - free until you sell!

They take at least 17% on the sales I have made over the last few years and deduct a fee from the postage as well! (Their Global Shipping Program is good for sellers too lazy to pack and post themselves but charges outrageous fees to the buyer - more expensive as Royal Mail though so GAP was right about shipping to Australia). They also add import taxes to items that are duty free/exempt under Australian regulations such as model trains & parts (would like to know where that money goes).

Basically eBay has become a rip-off - I now only use it for items that may sell to international sellers.......
Now, the price you ask is the price you get, however, they add a buyer protection fee on to the buyer purchase price!!
 
Price you sell for is not what you get in Australia - I just sold an item for AUD$100 and received a payout of $84.86 direct to my nominated account with no fee to the buyer. (eBay Australia no longer allows payment to a PayPal account)

And the joy of buying via eBay from the US is they no longer allow combined shipping - one of my go-to for detail parts (Don Mills Models) only sells via eBay now and after I added about US$85 worth of small parts to my basket (1:48 scale chains, tie downs, logging hooks, winch parts etc.) the postage was over US$550!

Needless to say I didn't proceed - Don no longer has a web site sadly - he told me at 80 years of age he wasn't prepared to spend US$4,000 to get it fixed after it was hacked..........
 
The same in the UK.
Sorry Jimmy - I'm confused...

In an earlier post you said: Now, the price you ask is the price you get, however, they add a buyer protection fee on to the buyer purchase price!!

Do you mean eBay in the UK deducts a buyer protection fee from your sale?

I'd be more than happy if the buyer had to pay more (like the buyer's premium one has to do at an auction) - and not the seller!

Don't think Australians are paying a buyer protection fee - just a commission to eBay that seems a bit excessive...........
 
Sorry Jimmy - I'm confused...

In an earlier post you said: Now, the price you ask is the price you get, however, they add a buyer protection fee on to the buyer purchase price!!

Do you mean eBay in the UK deducts a buyer protection fee from your sale?

I'd be more than happy if the buyer had to pay more (like the buyer's premium one has to do at an auction) - and not the seller!

Don't think Australians are paying a buyer protection fee - just a commission to eBay that seems a bit excessive...........

Conventional UK auction sites, charge both a seller's and buyer's premium. Unless otherwise stated by the auction house (used as a USP sometimes). Any seller will calculate this (and any other) fee into their opening offer (guide price) where one is stipulated. Likewise a buyer will cap their bid based on the buyers premium and any other fixed/variable non negotiable add ons. Shure some bidders get carried away but most items sold have a known "market price" that will dictate bidding levels. Somebody has got to pay the piper somewhere along the line.

It is never desirable, as a seller, when an auction platform adds inordinate costs onto the buyer for services and fees. These will depress the acheived price the buyer will recieve as most bidders will calculate this into what they are willing to bid up to. As someone who sold over 1000 items (over a 6 year period) one of the big benefits of Ebay was the no buyer fees. The only thing to impact aceived prices were the state of the market and the quality of the information (marketing) provided by the buyer. Dealers in the area I sold in (model racing cars, both static and slot type) referred to me as Maxi-Price because of the bidding valuesI achieved on my lots, even though I used 0.99p minimum bid auctions mostly. Realised funds mostly paid for my garden railway and it's stock. Max
 
Sorry Jimmy - I'm confused...

In an earlier post you said: Now, the price you ask is the price you get, however, they add a buyer protection fee on to the buyer purchase price!!

Do you mean eBay in the UK deducts a buyer protection fee from your sale?

I'd be more than happy if the buyer had to pay more (like the buyer's premium one has to do at an auction) - and not the seller!

Don't think Australians are paying a buyer protection fee - just a commission to eBay that seems a bit excessive...........

You said, which I quoted:
(eBay Australia no longer allows payment to a PayPal account)

I said:
The same in the UK.

I.e. in the UK, eBay no longer allows payment to a PayPal account.
 
A while back I bought some brass casting made by the Cire Perdu method from a well-known company in the US of A. They were a tad over $25. Add the mail, another minimum of $24, and the expected total of around $50.

Amazingly, HM C & E or whatever they are called now, treated these brass items, weighing around 3/4 ounce, as jewellry, then added £55 to the bill.

So $24 became $98.80. Plus the usual £8 'handling charge'.

NOT amused.
 
A while back I bought some brass casting made by the Cire Perdu method from a well-known company in the US of A. They were a tad over $25. Add the mail, another minimum of $24, and the expected total of around $50.

Amazingly, HM C & E or whatever they are called now, treated these brass items, weighing around 3/4 ounce, as jewellry, then added £55 to the bill.

So $24 became $98.80. Plus the usual £8 'handling charge'.

NOT amused.
I had a bill from HMRC R&C, for the return of an item that was already mine, can't remember the exact cost but the value was £200.00. I had to pay first to get the item, but there is a route to claim the money back, though £8.00 handling is lost.
 
Conventional UK auction sites, charge both a seller's and buyer's premium. Unless otherwise stated by the auction house (used as a USP sometimes). Any seller will calculate this (and any other) fee into their opening offer (guide price) where one is stipulated. Likewise a buyer will cap their bid based on the buyers premium and any other fixed/variable non negotiable add ons. Shure some bidders get carried away but most items sold have a known "market price" that will dictate bidding levels. Somebody has got to pay the piper somewhere along the line.

It is never desirable, as a seller, when an auction platform adds inordinate costs onto the buyer for services and fees. These will depress the acheived price the buyer will recieve as most bidders will calculate this into what they are willing to bid up to. As someone who sold over 1000 items (over a 6 year period) one of the big benefits of Ebay was the no buyer fees. The only thing to impact aceived prices were the state of the market and the quality of the information (marketing) provided by the buyer. Dealers in the area I sold in (model racing cars, both static and slot type) referred to me as Maxi-Price because of the bidding valuesI achieved on my lots, even though I used 0.99p minimum bid auctions mostly. Realised funds mostly paid for my garden railway and it's stock. Max
Thanks for your comments Max,

I've been buying and selling on eBay since 2010 and have probably sold an equivalent number of items or more than what you have mentioned - generally with a fixed price/or best offer as a lot of what I want to sell is worth in excess of AUD$500 (I'm not going to list a Nagra IV sound recorder, a Bolex 16mm Reflex camera or a mudguard for a 1944 Indian Chief with starting prices of 0.99p when they are worth in excess of AUD$1,000).

I have a 100% sellers rating with no return requests and 100% positive feedback (vfx_oz is my sellers name) and have found eBay in Australia to be just taking more and more from the seller!

Sold a 1923 Indian Chief frame last year through a local specialist for AUD$5,500 and the shop only took 10% as the commission (which was more than reasonable as it was on their website with full details and people could actually talk to them about it).

Had I sold it through eBay I would have paid 17% of the sale price plus 17% with their take of the shipping cost (and the buyer would have been charged 10"% Goods and Services Tax even though the frame was over 100 years old - go figure! )

And as a buyer I find their "Global Shipping Program" to have excessive charges - I am not one of the lazy ones who use this, as I measure weight and dimensions based on Australia Post costs and pack it and take it to the post office myself.

And unlike Royal Mail (outside of my grumbles about eBay here) Australia Post does not charge UK5 pound extra for tracking!!!

If I could find another way of selling Internationally (other than Facebook Marketplace which I will not go near) I would - often I get better results with our local "Gumtree" market place which is free to sellers!
 
And to continue this discussion - this is what eBay US was going to charge for just 3 items from Don Mills:

Don Mills Models Cart.JPG

US$32.28 postage for US$11.85 of bits in the Snipping Tool grab above - given I wanted at least 33 different bits from Don you can see why it added up to around $AUD$550 for shipping given eBay in the US will not allow combined shipping.

Fortunately I had dealt directly with Don before and was able to purchase directly from him - the shipping cost US Flat Rate of $12.00!

This 1:48 SCALE log truck has a number of Don's bits on it along with a Keith Wiseman conversion kit:

Log Truck Corrected-1.jpg
Best way of buying Don Mills bits now is to find them on eBay, add them to your cart, make a list and then contact Don direct - Don Mills Models <donmillsmodels@aol.com>

Tell him I suggested you contact him. :)
 
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