Esu Loksound V4 sound low

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Ideas bigger that wallet or brain !
A friend asked me to install an esu v4 in his railcar no probs I told him ??
Mark at GRO had put in the correct sounds and they are very good.
BUT the sounds are very low! I tried tweaking the cv's using Decoder Pro
but in a garden situation you will hardly hear it
PLEASE has anyone got any ideas on how to make it louder

David
 
Have you used a speaker with the correct impedance to match the amplifier?
 
Yes ESU use 4 ohm speakers I even tried to get more sound by using 2x 8ohm speakers in parallel
which give 4ohms
 
According to Mark's GRO website, ESU decoders use 8 ohm speakers, the same as Massoth....
From GRO's ESU speaker listing:
"LokSound XL V4.0 decoders work with loud speakers which have an impendance from 8-32 Ohms."

Maybe try just one of the 8 ohm speakers and see what happens....?

Jon.
 
Do you have a speaker enclosure? That helps with volume. Also some way for the sound to "escape" from the loco such as holes in the base of the loco.
 
See page 19 of the loksound manual, it says 4 ohms for the XL
http://www.esu.eu/en/downloads/instruction-manuals/digital-decoders/


If you used a 100ohm speaker by mistake it will be very quiet. The hints about enclosures and a grille in the body are good but also if it's twin speakers are they wired in phase? If they aren't wired the same way round they will cancel each other out ;)
 
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Thanks for all your input - I was testing using decoder pro (sprog) as a central station after changing the cv's .
That was my MISTAKE when put it on my MTS it worked perfectly and the sound was loud enough, Lesson 10 learnt !!
 
Just out of interest what were the previous nine lessons learned? :-)
 
If you have the SPROG II then it may not have enough ooomph for the motor, lights and the sound so the sound maybe muted somewhat.
The SPROG version III can have up to 3.5amps so is better all round.
I use the SPROG III for programming USAT locos with ESU/Massoth decoders and phoenix sound system with no probs, even when running the lights with sound and motors..... something the 'II' version would baulk at..
 
I learned recently that some of the latest sound cards are being produced with lower volume to comply with German(?) requirements.
 
Keith Do you happen to recall which specific cards/locos were being referred to here? I have a brand new LGB/Marklin 24741 DR 99 loco with one of the Marklin/TRIX MFX decoders. As described in another thread, I had a few problems working out how to program the decoder, which have now been sorted. However, the sounds are not very loud. The chuffs are a bit quieter than other LGB locos, but some of the other sound effects - eg bell, shovelling - are almost inaudible. The loco does not have a volume control knob and the only way to change the volume seems to be via CVs. Each sound has its own volume CV, which all seem to be set to 255 as the factory default. It has been suggested to me that this default is normally an indicator that there IS a sound control knob somewhere, but I have opened up everything that moves and cannot find one. I am about to start experimenting with the CVs, but if the card is designed to produce low volumes, this could be a waste of time.
 
I learned recently that some of the latest sound cards are being produced with lower volume to comply with German(?) requirements.

Well, for what it's worth my recently-arrived TL45 Pfiffi, which has a Zimo sound decoder factory-fitted, has all the volume you could ever want when turned up to maximum - in fact I'd almost say it goes to 11..... :rofl:

Cranked up to full volume, the neighbours three doors down would think it's about to come through their living room! ;)

The volume in this case is manually controlled, by a cunningly-concealed pot operated by rotating the hemispherical top part of this loco's characteristic large steam dome.

Jon.
 
Keith Do you happen to recall which specific cards/locos were being referred to here? I have a brand new LGB/Marklin 24741 DR 99 loco with one of the Marklin/TRIX MFX decoders. As described in another thread, I had a few problems working out how to program the decoder, which have now been sorted. However, the sounds are not very loud. The chuffs are a bit quieter than other LGB locos, but some of the other sound effects - eg bell, shovelling - are almost inaudible. The loco does not have a volume control knob and the only way to change the volume seems to be via CVs. Each sound has its own volume CV, which all seem to be set to 255 as the factory default. It has been suggested to me that this default is normally an indicator that there IS a sound control knob somewhere, but I have opened up everything that moves and cannot find one. I am about to start experimenting with the CVs, but if the card is designed to produce low volumes, this could be a waste of time.

Hi I wasn't given any details but my info came from a chat with Paul at P&S models in York. It may be worth calling him to check which cards are involved.
 

I spoke to Paul this evening and, sure enough, it was the new Marklin MFX decoders that he was referring to. He is of the opinion that they can't even be programmed with traditional DCC tools [ie you need an MFX-based tool]. However, I believe I have found a way around that particular barrier, as described in another post. I have been able to reprogram my MFX decoder - at least CV 1 and CV 50. But this was not possible 'out of the box'. I had to first run the loco on the main line to 'initialise' it. This seems to somehow set the loco up to receive DCC [rather than MFX] commands, by automatically recognising it is not running on an MFX system. After doing that, you can then put it on a programming track and modify the CVs using DCC tools. Marklin, however, neglect to tell you of this requirement in their loco manual. As I said elsewhere, maybe they just assume that people would always run their loco at least once, before trying to change any CVs. Unfortunately, the first thing I do, when I get a new loco is put it on the programming track, to change its address and up the speed steps to 28.
One thing that Paul said today, which is a bit of a cause for concern, is that Marklin have said that all decoders manufactured after 1 July 2016 will be MFX only. However, I somehow doubt they could completely eliminate DCC, as this is the default after all other systems [ie analogue and MFX] are removed from CV 50. However, if you can't get at CV 50 anymore, that would be a problem. I cannot see any sane reason why they would make it impossible to run their locos on DCC controlled layouts - I mean who would buy their products anymore if they did that? So I think the DON'T PANIC instruction should be observed for the time being.
Anyway, my next task will be to experiment with the CVs that control the max volume for the various sound settings and see if changing these from their current default settings of 255 makes any difference to the actual volumes delivered. Watch this space!
 
Very interesting response, NCS.... thanks for posting it, and please keep us informed of any further developments!

Since it would surely be commercial madness for Marklin to make all their new locos MFX-only, I am wondering if the news from them about the new decoders could possibly have been misinterpreted - I really can't believe they are THAT stupid (though I could be wrong...?) :(

Jon.
 
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