Deltang Radio Control Reciew

Llongfordrailway

Llongfordrailway

Edrig, Little John, Ruby, Ffion and Coal Fowler
Hello all,

I've recently purchased the Deltang radio control equipment to upgrade my existing radio control to 2.4ghz and convert my manual locos. The long term aim is to replace existing 2.4ghz engines to deltang to be able to control it from one handset.

Here is the review:

http://youtu.be/IbXc8OYXzMk

Regards

Daniel
 
As long as the 2.4 GHz RX's are DSM2 or DSMX compatible you can simply rebind the RX's to a Deltang handpiece.
Any other type of R/C will need the RX's replacing as well.
 
Hello Tony,

I'm not entirely sure. I am looking to use my roundhouse little John which uses a flysky fs gr3e. A quick search on Google has not proved useful as to whether it is dsm2 or dsmx compatible.

Regards

Daniel
 
A good clear review, Daniel. Interested to see the system in use with a Live Steam loco. I'd not considered how the inertia control could be used with a regulator.

I don't think Flysky is DSM2 compatible btw. Before I opted for Deltang I experimented with a cheapo Flysky system using transmitters intended for those cheap radio controlled helicopters. I couldn't get my Flysky rx to bind with Deltang so assume they are a quite different system.

Rik

PS - Just noticed the honorable mention on Youtube. Thanks!
 
My initial interest in the Deltang system was for battery R/C.
David T explained to me the various optional profiles that are available for the TX's with the result that I also offered a TX for Live Steam.
Since then about half of the 200 + TX's now sold, have been specifically for Live Steam use. Range was tested by the American Garden railway magazine as being well over 200'. The best I can get is around 200'.
Then DT developed a special RX with programmable end points and reversible directions for 3 servos. The RX also has two outputs for constant brightness directional LED's.
Many like the inertia feature. I don't. To me inertia can be achieved by turning the speed control knob slowly. Just more hardware to fit on the case front.
 
I like a mild amount of inertia - it gives more of a feeling of driving something with some weight and requires a bit of forward thinking and judgement. This can give rise to interesting things happening when changing from one loco to another as there is a delay when locos are selected and when using inertia the tx sends lots of signals to the rx to get it up to speed.
I can't say what the range is on mine but I can operate mine from inside the house over the whole line which can be up to 80ft away with conservatory etc in the way. This is infinitely better than my previous RC set up.
 
I have a lot of inertia, especially in the mornings. ;D
 
I remember figs.
Part of the disgusting monotony of primary school lunches in the late 1940's and early 1950's.
They might be good for you, but I had my fill way back then.
 
Many like the inertia feature. I don't. To me inertia can be achieved by turning the speed control knob slowly. Just more hardware to fit on the case front.
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Tony,

You are completely missing the point about inertia. It most certainly cannot be achieved by turning the knob slowly. Without inertia, speed is proportional to the turning of the speed control knob which makes driving unrealistically easy. Okay for the grandchildren but not for the garden railway enthusiast who wants to achieve greater realism. With inertia, driving skill is needed, particularly to make a train stop at the correct spot.

If space on the front of your controller is limited, you could use a screwdriver operated trim pot to set the inertia because most people would change the inertia setting only very rarely. Or it could go in the controller top panel.

Regards
Peter Lucas
MyLocoSound
 
Hi Peter.
At the moment having inertia, as far as I understand it, requires using a different R/F module profile and that appears to limit the number of accessory function triggers available.
 
For me, the main virtue of inertia control is that it is kinder to mechanisms. Fewer jerky stops, starts and reverses which could lead to stripped gears. Mind you, I like shunting operations and so tend to minimise the inertia then. I must admit though, I've not yet fully mastered stopping at the right places in my stations - so many different variables to compute.

Rik
 
Using a Massoth sound card (are they popular on battery control - I dont know), the inertia is a vital part of their operation. When slowing down and the auto inertia cuts in, the chuffing stops, the coasting sounds takes over and then the brake squeal comes in. Its one of the reasons I ended up with Digital.
 
Alan,
I don't know about Massoth sound being popular with battery R/C. More likely non existent. As far as I know it is not possible to interface regular R/C ESC's with DCC sound. Not yet anyway. ;-)

The new MyLocosound quietens the chuff when cruising and goes very quiet braking into a station. The diesel sound works the same way.
 
Hi Tony,
You can set the inertia and then get the same result using DC (by turning the knob down, but obviously not off).
I cant see why this would not work with battery power but I don't actually know.As for an ESC - who knows.
The Massoth will also maintain speed on curves and gradients whilst using DC (up to the power available from the knob setting) and also reduce power on decent, whether this feeds through to the 'coasting' effect I am not sure but it would be interesting to find out. I wonder if Muns here could advise?
 
The mylocosound chip with cruise seems to cope with coasting at the right time with analogue. Maybe it measures the amps ?
 
Hi Alan.
I understand what the Massoth can do. However to use with battery R/C that would require the announced but never produced DCC 300 (?#) interface. DCC decoders require a DCC signal to work.
DCC decoders should not be used with ESC's that have a pwm output. They can get "confused" when they "see" pwm.
As far as I know, none of the existing battery R/C ESC's generate DCC codes.

I believe there have been successful experiments with regular Digital Proportional R/C controlling DCC sounds but how that works has still not been made available to us mug punters.
 
Maybe this DCC300 is just a bit too complicated to get to market!
 
stockers said:
Maybe this DCC300 is just a bit too complicated to get to market!
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That's (supposedly) why they pulled it, and are (even more supposedly) starting again..
??Think it was DRC300, not DCC300??

Was 'promised' in 2010!! - See this link. ::) >:(

http://shourtline.swl4.com/ME_8130701_DiMAX_DRC_300_Wireless_Omni_Power_Controller$.html
 
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