DCC /Analogue recognition

Lister39

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Some advice please... But first an explanation where I am coming from - I have amassed some 14 locos (all LGB) some of which are DCC and some analogue, then 3 years ago I completed a house move. It is not until now (enforced retirement - Hate it!) That I have unpacked my railway. Trouble is the memory has detoriated somewhat and I do not know which is anologue and which locos are dcc. So, how do I determime which is which? - Without stripping each one down.
I should say that it is my intention to run Two separet tracks viz Analogue shuttle around the garden and a DCC in the flower bed.

I would appreciate your assisatnce please


Lister.
 
Should be a simple operation.

If you put an anolouge loco on a dcc track it will make a high pitch buzzing sound.....
 
Put each loco on your DCC system's programming track and try to read it. That'll show up whether or not there's a chip in it, and also give you a reminder of the DCC loco's address etc.
 
Are they ones you chipped yourself, or factory-installed DCC? All LGB locos with factory-installed decoders should have a silver sticker underneath that tells you so!

Jon.
 
WOW What rapid responses - Thanks guys. Supplementry questions:

Steve - is this method of putting an analogue machine on DCC safe? Its not going to blow any components is it?

Nick - I dont have a "DCC system's programming track" are they expensive cant seem to find a price on a google search.

Jon - Yes to both questions some were bought DCC and some were converted - but not by me . As for stickers am I looking for one which says Decoder fitted. If so none have that type of sticker including the two locos which came with DCC starter set??? Or is it a silver sticker a large "D"?
Appologies if I am appearing a bit dim just dont want to do anything which may damage my Locos.
TonyB
PS - In the move I have lost / mislaid a nice folder with all the insturctions that came with everything I bought for the railway........ Grrr
 
Steve's suggested way of checking is normally safe with our large scale toys but generally frowned upon in the small scales these days. It stems from the ability of some DCC systems to control a single un-chipped loco by "bending" the DCC signal that's on the track. Trouble is it means there'll be pulses of power going through the motor all the time hence the buzzing (and also all the lights will stay on all the time). Personally I don't recommend it for long term running but there are folk on here that run a loco that way on their DCC system without problems (and also some folk who have indeed blown up Piko locos by doing this!)

What DCC system are you using?

Most DCC systems provide a separate set of power outputs for a programming track, or at least some way of switching the main power output into programming mode.

A programming track is a separate length of track on which you place a decoder fitted loco to program it. The programing track output is deliberately limited power to prevent things blowing up if the decoder is wired incorrectly. Hence it's also ideal to check for a non-chipped loco.

Although you can program most modern decoders whilst the loco is on the main layout (this is often called "Programming On The Main" or "Operations Mode Programming"), a programming track is the only way to read back the decoder's current settings and to change the loco address.

Whilst it's not mandatory, some of us on here use a little device called a SPROG which is a neat way of using your computer for decoder programming if your DCC system isn't able to talk to a computer. It uses free software. I think SPROGs are currently about £50. I have an older model SPROG and find it very useful, but then again I do tinker with my decoders!
 
Lister39 said:
WOW What rapid responses - Thanks guys. Supplementry questions:

Steve - is this method of putting an analogue machine on DCC safe? Its not going to blow any components is it?

99.9% of the time it will be perfectly safe, but there is always a chance of something going wrong on a very old loco.

What i would do is power up a short section of track withh you DCC unit and as you touch the rail with the loco you will get the buzzing sound as soon as power reaches the motor if you here the buzz, lift it off asap and the chances of any damage will be reduced even further...

Regards Steve

Also there are a number of peolple in the north west who may be able to assist just give them a few days to contact you.
 
Thanks guys - All valueable info - I can now go forward with confidence.
Yes Paul you did chip some of my Locos and a good bit of work it was!
Cheers

TonyB
 
Lister39 said:
WOW What rapid responses - Thanks guys. Supplementry questions: ...................
Jon - Yes to both questions some were bought DCC and some were converted - but not by me . As for stickers am I looking for one which says Decoder fitted. If so none have that type of sticker including the two locos which came with DCC starter set??? Or is it a silver sticker a large "D"?
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TonyB

Hi Tony, LGB locos that are factory-MTS chipped will (or should) have a silver sticker with a large stylised "D" and a little drawing of a control handset. If that is present, they are definitely MTS/DCC.
There are two other formats of MTS-related sticker which you shouldn't get confused by, they do NOT mean the loco is chipped but relate to how easily it may be converted: a small round silver one what says "Direct Decoder" (which means that an LGB 55021 or similar decoder plugs straight onto the pins on the loco's main board) and another round one, this time black, with a ring of five or six white dots - this one means that the loco can be chipped using a suitable decoder and an LGB interface cable. If your locos have either of these two latter stickers, it means they are easy to chip and therefore may well have been done, either by a previous owner or a dealer - any loco without any of these stickers is most likely a pre-digital gearbox which is more work to chip (though still perfectly possible).

Hope that helps!

Jon.
 
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