Chipping Fiery Elias.... now all completed!

Zerogee

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This is the second LGB tram loco I've DCC and sound chipped, and this time I decided to do it a little differently. The first one was an older black and green No.13, with a pre-D gearbox and screw-in lights - on that one I slid the LS sound decoder into the boiler on top of the weight (a tight fit, but it just went in) and then put a Massoth 40mm square speaker in the coal bunker. That all worked fine, but like all LGB 4-wheel locos it doesn't like dirty track or some point frogs.

So, having acquired a second Elias tram a while back (this time a newer one, green and brown No.29 with a "D" gearbox and modern push-in bulbs), after I'd stripped it down I looked at where things could go; this time I wanted to use a Powercap Micro power buffer, which Mark (Muns) very kindly soldered onto the LS decoder for me (and at the same time programmed the LS to the correct sound files for the tram loco).

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The plan was this time to use the boiler space for the buffer modules, and relocate the decoder to the coal bunker where, by luck rather than design (as the basic design of the Elias is now well over 40 years old!) it fits perfectly!
This time I'd decided to use a little rectangular-boxed speaker that I'd sourced from Rapid, which looked like it would lie nicely alongside the boiler on the right hand side and be virtually invisible once the body was back on.
The speaker came with a red/black twisted pair of wires and a small (unsuitable) plug, so the plug was cut off and replaced with a Massoth one to go into the 2-pin MicroCT socket on the LS. At the same time I slipped some heatshrink over the original speaker wires to make them a little less visible once the job is complete. Then the speaker was trial fitted with blu-tack, and it seems to fit nicely!

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I cut a slot into the end of the boiler for the buffer wires, and also made a little modification to the backplate/firebox part - this is glued in place when the loco is built, and needs a very careful application of BFI (Brute Force and Ignorance) to separate it. Knowing that I might well need to access the buffer again later (especially if something doesn't work) I didn't want to glue it back on, so I drilled a couple of small holes - one at the bottom of the back plate and another at the very end of the boiler top straight down into the tab on the backplate. Two very tiny LGB screws now hold the backplate/firebox piece on to the boiler so that I can easily remove it again should it be necessary!

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The three wired-together parts of the power buffer slip neatly into the boiler space above the weight (which was well wrapped in insulating tape to avoid any electrical problems). The only modification needed to the weight was cutting off the lead "spike" on it that sits under the steam dome, no other metal needs to be removed. The first two modules of the buffer slid in easily (oo-er....) but the last one - the bit with the control circuitry on - was a slightly tighter fit, but it eventually went in with a gentle push.... then the cover plate was screwed on and the boiler is basically finished.....

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I'd already decided to replace the driver on this loco, as the LGB one is positioned with his arm resting on the body side and makes it a REAL pain to get the bodyshell on and off. A lot of cursing and hammering away with a screwdriver end finally separated the little b*gg*r from his perch - that rubbery glue they use to fix him on at the factory is a real pain to shift! When it's finished, the tram will get a new driver (and possibly a fireman too) from either Prieser or Bachmann (the Scenecraft ones, not the cartoony oversized US type!).

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More to follow later as the work progresses!

Jon.
 
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Nicely done Jon :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
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Thanks chaps - more soon as the job progresses, hopefully later today once I've got some of my "real" work done...! ;)

Jon.
 
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Couple more pics of progress so far.....

Firstly the decoder ready to fit, complete with lighting plug in place in the 4-pin socket - I took the 4-way plug and lead supplied with the decoder and removed both the outer wires from the ribbon cable - these are the switched feeds for the front and rear lights
- leaving just the centre two, which are the interior light feed and the common return. The reason for this is that the Elias has only front lights (no cab or rear ones) so I wanted it wired so that when the light function is ON, the three headlights stay illuminated whether the tram is running forwards or reverse - so I'm using the interior (cab) light connection to do this. The two wires have been left loose at this point, ready for connection to the front lights before reassembly of the loco.

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Then a shot of the decoder finally in place, secured by a double-sided sticky foam pad - you can see how perfectly the LS fits into the bunker space, even with the power and motor wires and the new buffer connections coming off the decoder. The four driving wires (track power and motor) have been fed down through the hole in the chassis ready to plug into the motor block, and the buffer and speaker wires are tucked into a notch cut in the right end of the bunker.
The rather blurry little unit in the foreground of this shot is the old factory electronics board, which originally lived in the compartment to the left of the bunker - this has been removed and will be discarded. This particular model was sold as "MTS ready" and this little board provided the connections and dip switches to plug in an LGB interface cable and a 55020/55021 decoder. The LS COULD have theoretically been connected through this board, but in reality it is much easier to dispense with it completely.

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More later! :bigsmile:

Jon.
 
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First testing time! I thought that before going any further I ought to check that everything works, so on to the test track with it.... in these pics, the motor block has just been placed back in the chassis and put up on test rollers, though you can't actually see them beneath the skirts of the tram chassis! Alongside the test track is Elias' bodyshell in a very attractive green with brown panelwork. While the black with green panels version is nice too, as are the "plain" black DR ones, I think this one is arguably the best looking of the various schemes this little loco has been available in over the last forty years or so.
I can confirm that everything works exactly as it should, and that despite the small elongated speaker it sounds really nice too - the "box steam loco" sound files give a nice cheery whistle and bell, plus all the usual running sounds just as they should be. The power buffer is working well too - it's always a little odd when you shut off all track power and the loco still sits there hissing to itself for another 30 seconds or so....

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By the way, don't panic about that loose wire end (one of the lighting connections) that looks to be hanging dangerously close to the track in one pic - it's actually nowhere near it, and I was aware of it! ;)

Jon.
 
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Late in the evening - had to stop for tea, Big Bang Theory and Warehouse 13 of course! ;) - but job now virtually completed; lights wired up, body back on (carefully tucking all the lighting wires into the left hand front water tank) and motor block slid back in again for some final testing and programming. Still got to put all the couplers, funnel etc. back on and then think about fixing the crew figure(s), but that will probably wait for tomorrow. Tonight, I can turn in knowing it's all worked fine so far.
Put it on the programming track first, of course, to set the loco address (29, obviously), drop the volume a little (CV200 down to 32, it was at 40) so as to not wake all the neighbours, and drop the lighting (CV50) to 20 rather than the default maximum of 32. The bulbs in this one, unusually, are NOT low-voltage ones - they are 19 or 24 volt as indicated by their rounded rather than flat bulb tops - so leaving it at 32 for testing shouldn't blow them out, but reducing the CV to 20 feeds about 15volts to them and gives a nice old-timey glow to the lamps rather than a stark full glare.
Back to the power test track, confirmed that everything still works as it should, and took a few pics with the lights on!

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Hope some of you found this interesting, and maybe even of some use! :bigsmile:
Maybe a few daylight pics of the 100% finished reassembly tomorrow?

Jon.
 
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Here we go, some final pics of the completed job! All details now reattached, funnel back in (forgot that this had to go in BEFORE the gearbox because the motor block hides the funnel retaining nut!), couplings refitted. A couple of general views showing how the speaker and other wiring are almost completely hidden at "normal" viewing angles:

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Then a couple of close shots looking right down the side, to show the speaker in place but almost invisible against the black interior (I've deliberately turned the exposure and brightness way up in one shot so you can see it at all):

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Now to the crew... after rummaging around in the figures box, I found a Bachmann stoker, the end of whose shovel had been snapped off (these are very prone to that unless handled very carefully, since they are in a resin rather than Preiser's tougher plastic), who fitted nicely just behind the speaker - looking as if he's just getting another shovel-load of coal from the bunker. The driver, on the left side, is a Preiser one and works fine blu-tacked to the platform that the old LGB driver was so firmly glued to; with one hand on the window frame, he really looks the part I think!

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So, there we are - a job well done I feel, I'm pleased with it and it's another one crossed off the list! :bigsmile:

Jon.
 
Re:Chipping Fiery Elias....

Well done Jon :thumbup::thumbup:
 
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Thanks Jerry! :bigsmile:

How's it down your way today, it's just started to chuck it down here....?

Jon.
 
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A great job, Jon. I've got a couple of the Elias off in storage somewhere. When I'm ready to upgrade them this thread will be most useful.
 
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Thanks George, glad it's been of some use - and it looks like Massoth will soon have the LS decoders back in production, so they will be available again! :bigsmile:

Jon.
 
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Zerogee said:
Thanks Jerry! :bigsmile:

How's it down your way today, it's just started to chuck it down here....?

Jon.
Been dodging rain all day :thumbdown::thumbdown::rolf:
 
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A video is required please? :bigsmile:
 
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I'll take it along to an open day soon, maybe Tony, Bigjack or one of the other video buffs around here will be good enough to take and upload some footage of it?

Jon.
 
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