Blacklisted by Jolly Toys
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Gizzy
A gentleman, a scholar, and a railway modeller....
I made a cheeky bid on an item on Evilbuy, a little below what I thought the LGB item was worth. The seller had it overpriced IMO.
He didn't accept my offer and black listed me when I tried to buy from him another time, for an item he had priced competitively.
His loss....
He didn't accept my offer and black listed me when I tried to buy from him another time, for an item he had priced competitively.
His loss....
maxi-model
UK/US/ROW steam narrow gauge railways 1:1
Ah, interesting Gizzy, Jimmy, that explains it. Thank you. Same thing happened to me recently, never seen it before. I like 1:18 vehicles, to go with my 1900 to '60's US Fn3 railroad stock. In my case I think it must have been a seller I returned an item to as in "not as listed" condition (given the type of item that bidding was blocked on). It had been carefully pictured to obscure a major problem that was not noted in the text. As I have little need to return items I don't keep a list of miscreantsfor future refference and I always keep it civil. Perhaps I should make notes in future ? Max
DickyC
(BZB Mountain Railway)
There is a lot, and I mean A LOT of over priced stuff on ebay at the moment, i too sometimes feel putting a realistic offer in for some items but have resisted, especially when i have watched them buy the items at the auction I also purchased stuff on so know how much they often paid (inc fees). With ebay you sometimes have to by a "Lot" of stuff to get the one item you want so ebay is a great way of shifting the other lots, never been stuck with anything if its realistically priced but ebay traders are trying it on It feels at the moment.
JimmyB
Now retired - trains and fishing
Gizzy
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maxi-model
and
DickyC
, many thanks for your replies, I thought it may just have been me, but obviously not.
maxi-model
UK/US/ROW steam narrow gauge railways 1:1
Yes, I have spoken to one or two sellers "flipping" an item they bought at an auction house on Ebay. Good luck to them, although some do not seem to have realistic expectations. If somebody puts in a "cheeky" bid the seller should accept it gracefully with a simple no. Why activate the "make an offer" function if you don't ? Blocking that bidder in future is knocking out a potential buyer with an established interest in the market you are servicing. Some people don't understand how selling works
I find it irritating the way mainstream auctioneers bundle lots to shift low grade items by including a "gem" to boost the sale price. But it's their job to get the best price for the seller and their commision. I have to say I have seriously fallen out of love with one the most prominent specialists houses. 3 times in a row I had to return £100+ items as the description and as recieved condition were, shall we say, somewhat misaligned. The excuse I was given for the serial failures, which they agreed as their fault - The volumes of sales they were handling, due to then recent media exposure, meant their "specialist" assessors were overworked or simply not familiar with the lots they were being charged with examining. Ahem. Max
playmofire
Registered
Some of jollytoys211 ideas on pricing are way out and wonder if this is in part due to a lack of knowledge about LGB. For two examples, he has two LGB Toy Train girder bridges as one lot at a starting bid of just over £99, reasonable enough for the LGB L50610 bridge but the Toy Train sells for £25-£30 on eBay. The second example is also a Toy Train one, the green USA style box car, with a starting bid of just under £58, which usually goes for £25 to £30.
On the other hand this is not to say that some sellers buy something cheap at an auction and then resell on eBay asking a much higher price, "flipping" as maxi-model says. I found a nice French Hornby O gauge set for £160 starting bid or thereabouts thhat the seller had bought recently for £60. I didn't bid.
On the other hand this is not to say that some sellers buy something cheap at an auction and then resell on eBay asking a much higher price, "flipping" as maxi-model says. I found a nice French Hornby O gauge set for £160 starting bid or thereabouts thhat the seller had bought recently for £60. I didn't bid.
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SevenOfDiamonds
Registered
My understanding is that the "Make offer" option on ebay is generally used in two situations. An item with a "Buy it now" prtice, where it would be logical to make a LOWER offer, to see if the seller has some leeway in their expectation. Or an auction item with a very low starting price where, if its "just what you want", you might make a HIGHER offer (to see if you have met the seller's expectation, and he is willing to end the auction early.
Jolly Toys, on the other hand, seem to use it for auctions where the starting price is significant (presumably the lowest amount they would be prepared to accept) and their use of "Make Offer" is with the expectation of receiving a(n even) HIGHER offere, in order to end the auction early . ..
I can only presume that he's got so tired of people making LOWER offers that he's decided to blacklist them, to save him the effort of declining future offers from those people.
While it didn't use to matter whether sellers were registered as "Private" or "Business" (because both paid a listing fee), it seems odd that Jolly Toys can be "Private" having sold more than 2.1k items (and with over 300 items listed currently). Surely "Private" is intended to cover those of us that choose to move on items that we have owned for a while, but no longer need . . . and not someone who is clearly buying things in to sell on (and now expect the buyers to pay the equivalent of the listing fee). I wonder what ebay would do if this was pointed out to them (or, indeed, HRMC!!!).
I have no great "axe to grind" (unlike others, maybe). Just a "stream of consciousness".
All the best
David
Jolly Toys, on the other hand, seem to use it for auctions where the starting price is significant (presumably the lowest amount they would be prepared to accept) and their use of "Make Offer" is with the expectation of receiving a(n even) HIGHER offere, in order to end the auction early . ..
I can only presume that he's got so tired of people making LOWER offers that he's decided to blacklist them, to save him the effort of declining future offers from those people.
While it didn't use to matter whether sellers were registered as "Private" or "Business" (because both paid a listing fee), it seems odd that Jolly Toys can be "Private" having sold more than 2.1k items (and with over 300 items listed currently). Surely "Private" is intended to cover those of us that choose to move on items that we have owned for a while, but no longer need . . . and not someone who is clearly buying things in to sell on (and now expect the buyers to pay the equivalent of the listing fee). I wonder what ebay would do if this was pointed out to them (or, indeed, HRMC!!!).
I have no great "axe to grind" (unlike others, maybe). Just a "stream of consciousness".
All the best
David
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DickyC
(BZB Mountain Railway)
Yes, your right to complain ! I wonder how many do.. I purchased a LGB FO Panorama Coach from an auctioneer a few months back, it was described (as now I see most of the lots were) as "Near Mint in Near Mint Window Box with Outer Sleeve.... The only "mint" part was in fact the Box, the coach was awful, scratched, very dirty and very faded so had been sitting in the sun for a long time outdoor. Now these Pano coachs are on ebay go for £300 quid plus and I was paying £150 9(inc fee and vat) and £20 for packing and delivery. But it should have been described correctly and have better pictures. The Auctioneer in fairness to them agreed from my pictures it was incorrectly described and offered to have it collected and refunded. I said I was happy to take £25 refund which they took me up on. Its now another "bash" project.... There were three other similar coachs in the sale I missed out on so wonder if they were the same condition and the new owners happy with what they received.Yes, I have spoken to one or two sellers "flipping" an item they bought at an auction house on Ebay. Good luck to them, although some do not seem to have realistic expectations. If somebody puts in a "cheeky" bid the seller should accept it gracefully with a simple no. Why activate the "make an offer" function if you don't ? Blocking that bidder in future is knocking out a potential buyer with an established interest in the market you are servicing. Some people don't understand how selling works
I find it irritating the way mainstream auctioneers bundle lots to shift low grade items by including a "gem" to boost the sale price. But it's their job to get the best price for the seller and their commision. I have to say I have seriously fallen out of love with one the most prominent specialists houses. 3 times in a row I had to return £100+ items as the description and as recieved condition were, shall we say, somewhat misaligned. The excuse I was given for the serial failures, which they agreed as their fault - The volumes of sales they were handling, due to then recent media exposure, meant their "specialist" assessors were overworked or simply not familiar with the lots they were being charged with examining. Ahem. Max
SevenOfDiamonds
Think HMRC is not bothered so long as your only selling maybe £3k-3.5K of stuff on ebay, Anything above that they get interest and its deemed more than private disposal. I guess if your selling lots of cheapo stuff mainly £20-30 jollytoys over 10 years that would take you to 2100 items.
Rhinochugger
Retired Oik
I've seen this a couple of times many moons ago - I wonder if the seller won't ship to the UK.
When I was looking, the items were fairly cheap in price (which was why I was interested) but were in Asia.
Just sent him (Jollytoys) the following,
So you have relisted at the same price, Way too much Ban me as well if you like I will not be buying at these prices and my bid will no doubt be too low for your expectations, By the way I can still buy them new at lower than this.
On the otherhand re EBAY (Although I have not seen this option used lately) a buy it now price shown as well as bids.
Saw something I fancied (A Car) the top bid showing was only £25 lower than the buy it now price shown and at that point the bid system wanted a £50 increase.
Guess how I got the car.
So you have relisted at the same price, Way too much Ban me as well if you like I will not be buying at these prices and my bid will no doubt be too low for your expectations, By the way I can still buy them new at lower than this.
On the otherhand re EBAY (Although I have not seen this option used lately) a buy it now price shown as well as bids.
Saw something I fancied (A Car) the top bid showing was only £25 lower than the buy it now price shown and at that point the bid system wanted a £50 increase.
Guess how I got the car.
maxi-model
UK/US/ROW steam narrow gauge railways 1:1
I think back to when I traded out a model car collection on Ebay around from 17 years ago, for 6 years, to pay for this hobby. I worked on moving up to 20 items a week on Ebay. It was the maximum I could manage properly while doing a full time job as it would involve 8 hours work in total to process that lot. In total I moved 1200 items that way, mostly no reserve auction but some BIN/near offer. The remaining part of the collection, low value items, went straight via a dealer route. Hang the 50% hit the overtime I could earn outweighed the loss because I would not being doing the work to sell - cost of sale. As an aside, my motorsport book collection was sold to a start up new book trader looking for good "seed stock". I had some good books.
Now, all those items were bought from taxed income, over a period from 1985, as personal possessions. I was also still vat registered at that time, from 2001, for a business then being wound down, that had produced (as in originated) high end hand built and kit form slot cars. Nothing I sold on Ebay involved product from that company. However, my PayPal account predated my trading on Ebay and by name was associated with my sole trader business's name, same as my GSC and Ebay monika. You can see the complication arising if HMRC had taken a look then.
At that time HMRC took little or no notice of a private individual's Ebay side hustle. They just did not understand that part of the economy. Now they do and are trying to define what is a pure non taxable private sale and what is business sale for income tax reasons. Principal method being kited is based on Ebay sales turnover alone. Go over a break point and you will be liable to tax on it and all other earned income irrespective of purpose of sale.
In my past case, irrespective of method of acquisition and purpose of sale, HMRC would most probably would have come knocking at my door due to sales revenue I was generating for 6 years. Things would be further complicated by lack of purchase receipts (who keeps them ?) and the bulk of sales being processed and paid via my defunct business's named PayPal account. The only thing that might have saved me would be by a close group of retailers (still contactable ?), that were the source of most of my collection, vouching for my bona fides as a "collector".
Things we probably need to keep in mind, and separated when we or our dependents, come to pare out our collections at some point in the future. Especially if we have registered businesses that are trading in similar markets to our hobbies. Just saying. Max
voodoopenguin
Retired
I think it is more go over a break point and you will have to show you are still a private individual selling your own collection. That is if they chase you on it. So far they appear to be targetting those who are way beyond that break point which can still happen even for private sales. A few years ago, before all this, I started selling my vinyl collection (LPs not some fetish!) and that ran into thousands.
Paul
viaEstrecha
Spanish metre gauge in G scale (on the cheap)
I'd agree, regarding this particular seller, they are not too on the ball regarding LGB. Works both ways, as I have in the past captured a couple of track items they had significantly undervalued.